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Old 06-06-2015, 05:20 AM
 
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She identifies as female now, so it's appropriate to refer to Caitlyn as "she" and to "her" friends.

This is her normal... you don't have to like it, but it makes her happy.
A true female doesn't have a penis. To my knowledge, he has stated that he still has a penis. Why hasn't he opted to cut it off? I'm sure this would help him feel more like a woman. Why is he stalling w/ this particular surgery?

 
Old 06-06-2015, 06:07 AM
 
Location: UpstateNY
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With precise timing and careful orchestration, Bruce Jenner turned his transformation to Caitlyn into a publicity stunt.
Anyone who sees it differently isn’t thinking clearly.
Caitlyn is an attaché of the monstrous Kardashian publicity machine, which has bankrolled an entire network, put the national media in a stranglehold, and persuaded an entire generation of adoring fans to embrace its relentless banality.
The former Olympic athlete has shown them all — especially ex-wife Kris, the family’s master puppeteer — that she’s beating the Kardashians at their own game.
Her transformation on the July cover of Vanity Fair — from Bruce, a hulking, ruddy-faced guy in a ponytail and sweatpants, into Caitlyn, a 1950s-style bathing beauty whose imperfections have been smoothed over through the wizardry of modern graphic design — has been carefully crafted into guaranteed newsstand gold: She’s a product, the most glamorous Kardashian of them all.'


Why Caitlyn Jenner is the most shameless Kardashian of them all | New York Post
 
Old 06-06-2015, 06:14 AM
 
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It gets old seeing the same patterns repeated over and over in society. There seems to always be an element that refuses to accept social change because it doesn't align with their preferences or attitudes. Today, that issue is gender, ten years ago it was homosexuality, thirty years ago it was interracial marriage, fifty years ago it was racial equality, etc. Why can't social conservatives ever see the writing on the wall and simply realize they are wrong upfront rather than wait for society to drag them down, slowly changing from emphatic opposition to apathetic distrust to reluctant acceptance? How about we skip all of that and jump straight to reluctant acceptance?

I don't understand how a person can identify as one gender for decades, only to realize that they identify better with a different gender. But it doesn't matter because it isn't my life. It is no inconvenience for me to call a person "she" rather than "he," but that social acceptance can make a massive difference in another person's happiness. There is literally no good reason to oppose it. Live and let live, for doing so will prevent you from looking like a bigoted idiot down the road.
This thread is about an award, not acceptance or opposition to his decision.

Of all the athletes and non-athletes who've displayed courage and inspiration, ESPN picks a guy who finally, after decades of hiding who he is, decides because he's desperate and aging, to 'be' a woman.

Just as people can debate and disagree with who gets an Oscar, or MVP, or Nobel Peace Price, so too can we mock the notion of Jenner winning this award, as insignificant as it is.
 
Old 06-06-2015, 06:24 AM
 
Location: CT
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Er, actually, yes it does.
But he has'nt had gender reassignment surgery, has he? So does cross dressing and being photographed by Annie Liebovitz make you female?
 
Old 06-06-2015, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Did you know that transgenderism is a mental disorder? Nothing more, nothing less. Dr. Paul McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current distinguished service professor of psychiatry has stated that “transgenderism is a ‘mental disorder’ that merits treatment, that sex change is ‘biologically impossible,’ and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.”
Read more at My hope for the man Bruce Jenner
 
Old 06-06-2015, 07:02 AM
 
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How ridiculous. The guy was named Bruce Jenner when the street was named. If they change the name, everyone will have to write their address as 'Caitlyn Jenner Lane f/k/a Bruce Jenner Lane'. Are they going to change all the books, records, plaques, etc. with the name Bruce Jenner on them? It's not like he never existed. I don't know the protocol, but if something was named for a woman and then she got married and changed her name, does everything get changed? This is starting to remind me of Prince changing his name to a symbol.
I wonder how we are to address Bruce period.......seems like he died, but not really!
 
Old 06-06-2015, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Dr Paul McHughs backround -



McHugh was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts, the son of a Lowell High School teacher and a homemaker,[2][3] He graduated from Harvard College in 1952 and from Harvard Medical School in 1956. While at Harvard he was "introduced to and ultimately directed away from the Freudian school of psychiatry."[4][5]
Following medical school, McHugh's education was influenced by George Thorn, the Physician-in-Chief at the Harvard-affiliated Peter Bent Brigham Hospital (now Brigham and Women's Hospital). Thorn was disillusioned with Freudian psychiatry and felt that those who devoted themselves to it became single-minded, failing to grow as doctors. Thorn encouraged McHugh to develop a different career path, suggesting that he enter the field of psychiatry by first studying neurology. At Thorn's recommendation, McHugh was accepted into the neurology and neuropathology residency program at the Massachusetts General Hospital where he studied for three years under Dr. Raymond Adams, the chief of the Neurology Department.[6]
From Massachusetts General, McHugh went to the Institute of Psychiatry in London (where he studied under Sir Aubrey Lewis and was supervised by James Gibbons and Gerald Russell). Following his year in London, McHugh went to the Division of Neuropsychiatry at Walter Reed Army Institute of Research.[7]
After his training, McHugh held various academic and administrative positions: Professor of Psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medical College (where he founded the Bourne Behavioral Research Laboratory), Clinical Director and Director of Residency Education at the New York Presbyterian Hospital Westchester Division. After reportedly being passed over for the Cornell chair in favor of Robert Michels (physician), he left New York to become Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Oregon.
From 1975 till 2001, McHugh was the Henry Phipps Professor of Psychiatry and the director of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science at the Johns Hopkins University. At the same time, he was psychiatrist-in-chief at the Johns Hopkins Hospital. He is currently University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
His own research has focused on the neuroscientific foundations of motivated behaviors, psychiatric genetics, epidemiology, and neuropsychiatry.
In 1992, McHugh announced that he was going to leave Johns Hopkins and accept a position as director and CEO of Friends Hospital in Philadelphia. The Johns Hopkins School of Medicine quickly sought to retain him and was successful in doing so.
 
Old 06-06-2015, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Old 06-06-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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There's more than one type of courage. There's courage in the face of mortal danger and there's courage in the face of public shame and humiliation.

We can laud both.

One does not negate the other.
 
Old 06-06-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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A true female doesn't have a penis. To my knowledge, he has stated that he still has a penis. Why hasn't he opted to cut it off? I'm sure this would help him feel more like a woman. Why is he stalling w/ this particular surgery?
The doctors have suggested he wait a year to let this all sink in.......does he want to be called grandpa or grandma by North West.
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