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Old 03-10-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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16 Myths About Gender Confirmation Surgery

Sadly the people who need to read this the most are the ones who will likely ignore it but here's a few very powerful quotes:

2. ‘These people need therapy, not surgery.’

I have been over this before. They tried for decades to change people’s gender identities, the same way they tried to change sexual orientation. Drugs. Therapy. Electroshock therapy. Lobotomies. Institutionalization.
It doesn’t work.

11. ‘I’m actually a feline trapped in a human’s body. Can I get can surgery to make me a cat?’

Also known as the “I think I’m funny, but I’m not” answer. Generally used by guys who watch South Park.
When people use this argument, they assume that transgender people are mentally ill (they’re not), assume it’s a delusion that can be cured (wrong), and ignores one key fact:
People can naturally be mentally hardwired to identify as male or female. Sometimes the wiring and the equipment don’t synch up during development.
We have 40-plus years of neuroscience research basically telling us gender identity and body image are written early on in development, and sometimes they don’t match.
People, however, do not naturally identify as a cat or other non-human animal.

15. ‘It doesn’t change your DNA,’

This is irrelevant. There are lots of intersex people whose identities vary from their chromosomes.
The relevant part of the discussion is whether GCS is medically necessary (it is in the opinion of everyone who matters) and if it significantly improves quality of life (it does).
But their GENDER does not change from their chromosomes.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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The desires had and sought are lost in the transition.
Care to clarify?
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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But their GENDER does not change from their chromosomes.
Obviously basic genetics are not one of your strengths.
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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But their GENDER does not change from their chromosomes.
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Obviously basic genetics are not one of your strengths.
You failed to address the issue.

It's XX and XY.

There is no YY.

....

Mircea
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:32 PM
 
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If you are born with a penis, you are a man. Anything else is baloney.
I'm just going to assume you are not educated in human anatomy.
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:18 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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You failed to address the issue.

It's XX and XY.

There is no YY.

....

Mircea
Or occasionally XXY, XXXY, XXX, XXXX, and XXXXX.

XYY is possible too, but it is true that it is impossible to have just YY because an X is always transmitted from the mother.
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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If you are born with a penis, you are a man. Anything else is baloney.
Yes, but if you get said penis taken off in a sex change surgery then you are a woman. Anything else is baloney.
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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You failed to address the issue.

It's XX and XY.

There is no YY.

....

Mircea
I addressed that early on. I know you think your elementary school bio makes you think you're a geneticist but you aren't.

Once again:

46 XX male
46 XY female
47 XXY

Just a few examples.

With pleasure
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:33 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I addressed that early on. I know you think your elementary school bio makes you think you're a geneticist but you aren't.

Once again:

46 XX male
46 XY female
47 XXY

Just a few examples.

With pleasure
Yes, but XX Males and XY females require exogenous hormones to develop their secondary sexual characteristics.
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Insult me as you may, but I do not accept this transgender thing. Yes, I know some who are this way (not my generation - my daughter's) and no one deserves to be disrespected, so I am nice and would never express my feelings to such a person, .....but.....that said, those that I know who are transgender were (are) deeply troubled individuals, from broken or dysfunctional families, and are suffering with depression and other serious mental disorders. I strongly believe the environmental and psychological factors contributed heavily to these feelings/beliefs of gender confusion. Two of these individuals have undergone surgical procedures, and two more hormonal type intervention. All of these individuals are nice people, but they are majorly disturbed, and despite their "identify changes" are still emotional disasters. Interestingly, all 4 were females that identified with being male, and all 4 were physically unattractive as females. I don't know any that have gone the other way.
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