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Tell me, without your counter part union workers what would you be making? .
Just as much, that what's great about being good.
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How would your benefits package be? .
The same, noting different, we are a small company, part of ESOP, and we have continually grown over the last 20+ years, still staying in the small business categories.
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Because your Corp. has a union area, how much to your group is it worth to keep that union out?.
My Corp. does NOT have a union area....
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You have leverage because a union could come to your group and offer a better deal.
We have leverage because we are a small employee owned company (185 total), and we have a very large reputation.
I know that disturbs you, that there are jobs out there that are good, even without a union.
And just so you know, "How do I know what my union counterpart makes" I asked him....
We have leverage because we are a small employee owned company (185 total), and we have a very large reputation.
Don't you find it odd that unions never seem to start their own companies?
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That being said shows that you are not in a position which requiers a union.
That's right. People who make themselves valuable to a company don't need a union, and companies that have the ability to hire who they want employee people who add value. It's a win win.
The same, noting different, we are a small company, part of ESOP, and we have continually grown over the last 20+ years, still staying in the small business categories.
My Corp. does NOT have a union area....
I quess I misread that you have union counterparts
We have leverage because we are a small employee owned company (185 total), and we have a very large reputation.
I know that disturbs you, that there are jobs out there that are good, even without a union.
[COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"]Well you said that you make more then your counterparts in a union.[/color]
And just so you know, "How do I know what my union counterpart makes" I asked him....
You still have the Leverage that a union can come in. It is an advantage for you and your co-workers
You still have the Leverage that a union can come in. It is an advantage for you and your co-workers
Let's see here. I go to work for a company. I bust my hump everyday and try to help innovate and streamline processes. At night, when I go home, I study to improve my work.
Oh no, recession.
The company must layoff some workers because the jobs aren't there to support the number of employees.
I've only been there for two and a half years. I'm the third newest employee and the company needs to release five.
At a non-union shop, management realizes that I'm a hard worker who tries to help improve shop with new ideas. They decide I should stay and "Grumpy" Jim who essentially punches the clock while complaining how management sucks and would never consider skipping a break if there were a crunch is less valuable.
At a union shop, I go and "Grumpy" Jim stays because of seniority.
Sure, the union will work out real well for all the "Grumpy" Jims out there, but not so well for either the company or the people who work hard but just happened to be there less time.
Decerted A Teamster local in 1989. I understood the leverage that having union membership had on a company. The work group was able to keep that in the Corp. eye and was able to maintain above contract areas. Right to work takes that away from the average employee, where a lot of employees are in the same job descripiton.
For most on this site, they are not in need of a union and have no idea what leverage for the average employee is really like in todays service economy.
Don't you find it odd that unions never seem to start their own companies?
I don't, I've been forced to work with and employ enough union workers to know that any company they started would fail miserably. Between the sub-par work quality and the lack of productivity I'm not sure what would bring it down faster. Who would they blame for all of their failures?
Let's see here. I go to work for a company. I bust my hump everyday and try to help innovate and streamline processes. At night, when I go home, I study to improve my work.
Oh no, recession.
The company must layoff some workers because the jobs aren't there to support the number of employees.
I've only been there for two and a half years. I'm the third newest employee and the company needs to release five.
At a non-union shop, management realizes that I'm a hard worker who tries to help improve shop with new ideas. They decide I should stay and "Grumpy" Jim who essentially punches the clock while complaining how management sucks and would never consider skipping a break if there were a crunch is less valuable.
At a union shop, I go and "Grumpy" Jim stays because of seniority.
Sure, the union will work out real well for all the "Grumpy" Jims out there, but not so well for either the company or the people who work hard but just happened to be there less time.
As you age and stay on your job you will be wishing for that Seniority. A lot of people who did not have Seniority lost jobs (2008-10) not because their was someone who was better but because their was someone who they could pay less.
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