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There's no evidence TM committed or was about to commit a crime except GZ's unsubstantiated self-defense story and phony injuries, which (mostly white) people seem to have accepted at face value. TM's school records bear no relevance to anything because he wasn't on trial, GZ was.
Are you saying that it's not relevant as to whether Trayvon was violence-prone? If he was an honor society member and member of the chess team and was assaulted I would be quite sure that the attacker was race-motivated. If the victim was himself a violent thug not so much.
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And who exactly dictates societal norms?
Are you saying we should have total anarchy, such as "anything goes"? Oh know I'm sure you wouldn't want whites to have that right.
So, basically, to avoid killing blacks, don't tell them to do anything and allow them to break all the rules, and just let them be? Blacks are exempt from the law?
Lawlessness shouldn't be tolerated from any race, but its how you say something rather than what you say.
There is a difference between "Hey get out the middle of the road" vs" Get the EFF out the middle of the road" if Dorian Johnson story is half way legit.
If you decide to confront someone who is a stranger to you, that person has a right to defend themselves.
If a cops says hey boy get you azz on the ground or telling someone they suspect of something profanity laced remarks, it is human instinct to have a reaction, so if they instigate a situation and make it worse, they will keep going because they know they can simply shoot the person and say they felt in danger.
Whites commit way more crimes that blacks even though they have more wealth than blacks in this country alot of the times, yet the media makes it seems like the 2-3% of blacks who commit these awful crimes accounts for 100% of the race.
Lawlessness shouldn't be tolerated from any race, but its how you say something rather than what you say.
There is a difference between "Hey get out the middle of the road" vs" Get the EFF out the middle of the road" if Dorian Johnson story is half way legit.
If you decide to confront someone who is a stranger to you, that person has a right to defend themselves.
If a cops says hey boy get you azz on the ground or telling someone they suspect of something profanity laced remarks, it is human instinct to have a reaction, so if they instigate a situation and make it worse, they will keep going because they know they can simply shoot the person and say they felt in danger.
since mr. Johnson seems to lie like it's second nature, I wouldn't trust a word he says.
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Whites commit way more crimes that blacks even though they have more wealth than blacks in this country alot of the times, yet the media makes it seems like the 2-3% of blacks who commit these awful crimes accounts for 100% of the race.
'way more'? how many is 'way more'? what kind of crimes?
and do you have evidence for this claim? provide it pls.
This article might be the nest Ive seen in regards to this topic.
From the article:
About ten years ago, I was taking a group of teenagers to get lunch while volunteering at a local church. There was about six of us packed inside of my sedan– I still don’t know how we got in there, but we did. And although they were teens, each of them were taller and bigger than me, which isn’t saying much since I’m only about “yea” high. Behind us pulled in a white man looking for lunch as well. Apparently, our order took too long and he proceeded to honk his horn and began to yell profanity out his window towards us. “Hurry the f@#% up,” is what I clearly remember being the trigger that set us off and, ultimately, led to a confrontation that almost got the six us of killed. When the teens in my car responded in kind, the white man jumped out of his car and approached us ready to fight: one of him against six of us.
I tell you this story in light of all of the killings we have been seeing of black Americans for this reason: no one ever talks about the events that led to the killings. The narrative always begins with the confrontation but never with who or what created the antagonistic environment which led to the confrontation and which then led to the killings of so many African Americans. The narrative of Trayvon Martin’s death began with the fist fight that led to George Zimmerman pulling out a weapon and shooting him. The narrative of Michael Brown’s death, ostensibly, begins with the physical “confrontation” with Darren Wilson. And now, even with the video of Walter Scott, no one is asking how this broken tail light violation led to his murder. The narrative starts where the video begins.
No one asks why George Zimmerman felt he had the right to harass, stalk, and then confront a teen who was guilty of no crime. No one ever mentions Dorian Johnson’s account of how the confrontation with Darren Wilson began with the officer yelling at them to get the f#@k out of the street. And is anyone even going to ask how one goes from getting pulled over for a broken tail light to being in a confrontation which ultimately gets you killed? Here’s the answer: The reason Trayvon, Michael, and Walter are dead is because they had the nerve to do the same thing me and the five teens almost got killed for that day. We had the nerve to assert our right to be respected and to get angry with someone with a gun who was either looking for a confrontation or was infuriated when we refused to bow down and be subservient.
The only reason I am typing this blog post and not dead is because I had the advantage of being wise enough to realize that any frail man who was willing to take on six teens either had a death wish or a gun– or possibly even both. I had to survey the situation in a matter of seconds and I realized that this guy came looking for a confrontation and concluded that he had to have a gun. And being that we were in the state of Florida, he could have killed us and later claimed he was in fear of his life–conveniently leaving out that he was the provocateur who created the entire situation. And because we dared to respond in kind, he exploded in rage. I couldn’t control what was unfolding except for stalling my teens — but here was no stopping them. We were all out of our cars and I was scrambling, pulling the teens back in one at a time. Once I realized it was beyond my control, I did the only thing I could think of — I called the police.
This is what no one is talking about with regard to the killings of black people. Some white Americans feel as though they have the right to confront us and, if we do not cower before their demands–if we don’t “humble” ourselves and comply–then they become infuriated. How dare we not instantly obey the words and instructions of these angry white men? How dare we respond to them as if we are equal. How dare we demand respect not only from thugs on the street, but also from thugs with badges. No one is talking about this because we aren’t ready to confront the glaringly obvious vestiges of Jim Crow: the idea that black people should be subservient–know their place, hold their head down, and say, “Yes Sir” and “No Sir” –whenever being instructed by any white person who wants to “teach us a lesson.”
I refuse to burden this article with disclaimers about this behavior not being categorical for all of white America because so long as one white American behaves in this manner it is one too many. Trayvon is not only dead because he fought back; he is dead because he demanded to be respected as an equal. Zimmerman had no right to stalk and confront him and Trayvon had the right to stand his ground. Zimmerman created the situation, and when Trayvon did not acquiesce, he killed him. Michael Brown is dead today because he got angry with an infuriated Darren Wilson– mad because those boys didn’t bow down when he told them to “Get the f@#k out of the street.” And the only way I can fathom a police stop for a broken tail light leading to the murder of Walter Scott is if words were exchanged and Scott refused to cower before his murderer–which would have only infuriated the violent police officer more.
Our leaders ignore this. Our media ignores this. Our justice system doesn’t even consider this. All our system considers is, if at the moment of confrontation, whether the person who shot the gun feared for his or her life. And in this regard, black people are stripped of our right to be human. We are stripped of our right to get angry when we feel as though we have been mistreated and disrespected. No one cares if little people with Napoleon complexes come to assert their need for domination over a group of people whom they feel should be subservient to them. And when they find men and women who refuse to bow down, they kill them. And what does America say about this? It tells black people that we should have complied.
The most painful example of institutionalized racism is the fact that our legal system pays little, if any, regard to this truth–especially when the victim is black and dead. A dead black man can have any narrative necessary created about him. It certainly helps that America is so ready to believe that every black man is a potential thug. This helps them conclude in their minds, without any question, what happened.
True institutionalized racism is the fact that our judicial system allows the narrative to begin in the most convenient of place for the aggressor with no regard to what created the confrontation. True institutionalized racism is the fact that members of the “jury of our peers” suffer from–at best–a fundamental attribution error whenever they determine that a black person was “just violent” with no regard to the situation. True institutionalized racism is the fact that after all this, our system has the unmitigated gall to label the outcome “justice.”
We must stop minimizing these murders to simply being about black and white and we must unpack what that actually means. While there are some who are killed simply because their skin color is black, most of the cases we are seeing are deeper than that. We are being killed because we are black and because we refuse to be subservient to angry white men who feel they should have authority over us. We are being killed because we are not cowering to the demands of small people with guns who want to be free to speak to us in any manner they wish. We are being killed because we have the nerve to “ declare our right on this earth to be [men], to be human beings, [and] to be respected as human beings.”
This is what no one is talking about. But now, maybe we can.
Thank you, SAAN.
You have put into words what I have been feeling but unable to adequately articulate.
Your words have the clear and distinct ring of truth because what you written is the ugly undeniable truth that lies at the heart of the matter. The overwhelming majority of these shootings that have been publicized are being committed by males with very little self-confident but very large egos and they try to compensate by carrying guns and looking for and/or creating opportunities to "flex their muscles".
Another part of this equation is these same individuals are also encouraged by certain segments of the media.
Fox News, The Washington Times, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill, O'Reilly and other conservative venues are constantly portraying black people as "thugs, gangstas, savages, and animals" or using adjectives like "dangerous, predatory, violent, and inhuman" in an attempt to dehumanize black people.
By portraying black people in such a light, it is easy to manipulate the feelings of some white people because outrage leads to anger, anger leads to fear, and fear leads to hatred, and hatred leads to violence and ultimately, homicide.
Why aren't people having rallies to stop black on black crime, it's a much bigger issue than an isolated case of a white cop killing a black person who is trying to flee.
They are. The media doesn't cover them in national news. They barely cover them in local news.
Yup. I'm tired of this "hug-a-thug" mentality in the streets and media. Wrong is wrong. But certain members of society are given a pass because big bag whitey is holding them down or going out of their way to systematically kill them, or at least that's the way it's being sold. Making excuses for animalistic behavior and not taking responsibility.
A very wise black man once said "Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs" - Booker T. Washington
Liberal whites and blacks in politics and the media do not want blacks to get off the public dole or better themselves. For if they do, they will be out of a job. Do you think Al Sharpton really wants to see blacks prosper and grow? So long as a large segment of the black population are still poor, violent, and uneducated, guys like Sharpton will continue to get richer along with the white owned media and politicians who need crime in order to create jobs and show what "good" they are doing for blacks with handouts and social programs. Politicians want blacks to need the Government, that's how they stay employed.
Oh, yeah dark skinned people are certainly given a free pass in the USA, right to maximum security lock up.
There is a difference between "Hey get out the middle of the road" vs" Get the EFF out the middle of the road" if Dorian Johnson story is half way legit.
If you decide to confront someone who is a stranger to you, that person has a right to defend themselves.
There's a difference between "confront" and "beat down".
If you decide to speak harshly to someone who is a stranger to you, that person does not have a right to take a swing at you (much less try to grab your gun out of your holster to shoot you with it).
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Whites commit way more crimes that blacks even though they have more wealth than blacks in this country alot of the times, yet the media makes it seems like the 2-3% of blacks who commit these awful crimes accounts for 100% of the race.
Statistics refute your claim. If you only look at "these awful crimes", white people are vastly under-represented as homicide offenders.
Most black on black crimes the person is caught. Its extremely rare you here of a black on black crime, they know who did it, and just let them walk free.
Not true. Black on black crime has the lowest conviction rates in the U.S., because it tends to be in black communities, which have, by far, the lowest conviction rates. Detroit and New Orleans are examples.
The crisis in the black community is 99% within the community. When there is irrefutable evidence of police misconduct, the cop gets punished severely, as we see in South Carolina. When there are lies, innuendo, and media-fueled nonsense, the cop isn't held responsible, as we see in Ferguson.
The black community needs to focus on black-on-black crime, and stop blaming everyone else. Police misconduct is not even in the top 100 issues for the black community in the U.S.
There's a difference between "confront" and "beat down".
If you decide to speak harshly to someone who is a stranger to you, that person does not have a right to take a swing at you (much less try to grab your gun out of your holster to shoot you with it).
Statistics refute your claim. If you only look at "these awful crimes", white people are vastly under-represented as homicide offenders.
Correct, even if some calls you a racial slur, it doesnt give you the right to swing on them and beat them down even thought you want to and sad but true that 1-2% of the black population does commit a huge amount of the violent crime we see reported in the news, but whites do commit a big amount of crime as well.
Home burglary, car break ins, shoplifting are a crime nationwide and blacks are only 13% of the US population, so its obvious whites commit alot of burglaries, shoplifting, and car break-ins as well. Rape and armed robbery are violent crimes too and many whites commit those. When it comes to drug use, it has been proven that whites use even more drugs than blacks, but blacks get locked up more because law enforcement tries to enforce the law in the black area more than the white area.
STATS are just stats, they can be manipulated to look like whatever you want them to look like, just like the BS statistic on unemployment in this country and we know is easily twice as many people out of work than being reported by the government.
They are. The media doesn't cover them in national news. They barely cover them in local news.
You try to speak too much truth in here so no one pays attention.
There have been a few marches in Philly focused on black-on-black violence but none of them made it past the local news.
As an aside, one of the reasons for the low conviction rate in black communities is because of the "stop snitching" culture - and there have even been marches against that but again, the media only covers stuff that triggers the dinosaur part of peoples' brains.
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