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It's not a "huge loss" if H1-Bs have to go home. If anything, it's a gain for their home countries.
The Indian ones are needed in India far, far more than they are needed here. India is not some first world paradise and it needs its educated people to stay put and work to make India better place.
How many Indians are actually able to "jump ship"? I'm guessing very few. In fact, a lot of them can't find new jobs when their visas are up because no employer will sponsor them. Many just stay here illegally. Besides, if they keep "jumping ship", who is going to sponsor them for a green card?
It's appalling to see people come into this thread and not only disparage Americans but bend over backwards to defend H1-Bs. To all who do this, what's your dog in this fight?
That's right what Greywar said. Ask your American friends how long it took them to find work when they get laid off. It took my husband, an experienced IT professional who has received awards and bonuses for his work, 10 months to find a new job. Those H1-Bs who get green cards and are now in a position to hire blatantly discriminate against non-Indians.
Then we see what happened to me where I applied for a marketing director job which I was qualified and it went to an Indian. I didn't take the minimum wage job they offered me instead but no doubt there would have been sexual harassment since they only wanted thin non smoker non mothers. They don't assimilate, they stick to their own kind and they hire their own kind for all kinds of jobs.
As I mentioned, some of them may not be familiar with the Holocaust, compared to Americans (though I doubt it), but they may know better about the history of the Vedic Civilization, or the Achaemenid Empire.
America has a lot of Jews and the media like to talk about it. But in Iran or India, it is totally different. It's just like only a few Americans know about the Rape of Nanking, but everyone in East Asia heard of it.
Or at least they speak a second language relatively fluently. How many Americans can do that?
Plenty of Americans can. I know more Americans who are functionally bilingual than Americans who aren't. Down here in Texas, it's very common for people...even white Americans...to be able to speak Spanish even if they haven't studied it formally. I also know people who are fluent in Mandarin Chinese, Farsi, Hebrew, French, German, etc. None are immigrants either.
I myself was raised a polyglot. I am fluent in four languages and can get by in a few more. (All four grandparents were immigrants.)
And who the hell doesn't know about the Rape of Nanking? I studied that in 9th grade.
I've met Indians who've never heard of Louis Mountbatten.
Then we see what happened to me where I applied for a marketing director job which I was qualified and it went to an Indian. I didn't take the minimum wage job they offered me instead but no doubt there would have been sexual harassment since they only wanted thin non smoker non mothers. They don't assimilate, they stick to their own kind and they hire their own kind for all kinds of jobs.
That's terrible. The investigation should pay extra attention to Indian employers. I've been advocating for scrutiny of Indian companies for a while. The Indian programmers I know graduated from US institutions, and none of them works for an Indian company. Ironic, isn't it?
That's terrible. The investigation should pay extra attention to Indian employers. I've been advocating for scrutiny of Indian companies for a while. The Indian programmers I know graduated from US institutions, and none of them works for an Indian company. Ironic, I know.
A friend told me, he interviewed an American programmer and recommended him, but the Indian manager was "strongly against it" and eventually they hired an Indian. I suppose it is very common now.
I have yet to see a single H1B who could replace 12 people. It's more the other way around...you'd need at least 3-4 H1Bs to match a single competent American.
No, you need one competent person to match another competent person. Use logic, not emotion.
I understand if you are resentful, but no need to make stuff up. We lost most of our jobs to India too, but I am not going to make stuff up about them. Some of the best programmers I have worked with are Russians and Indians.
That's terrible. The investigation should pay extra attention to Indian employers. I've been advocating for scrutiny of Indian companies for a while. The Indian programmers I know graduated from US institutions, and none of them works for an Indian company. Ironic, isn't it?
I reported them to the Department of Labor (or was it EEOC?) and they have a F with the BBB but nothing was probably done.
No, you need one competent person to match another competent person. Use logic, not emotion.
I understand if you are resentful, but no need to make stuff up. We lost most of our jobs to India too, but I am not going to make stuff up about them. Some of the best programmers I have worked with are Russians and Indians.
From hearing people's personal experiences with H-1B's, I find that H-1B's make up a large and very diverse pool. Few of us have experienced both ends of the spectrum. Those that people like you and I know belong to a different class from those that he has encountered. There are competent H-1B workers that work at Microsoft making 100k+, and there are the incompetent ones working at the outsourcing companies making 60k-70k. We want to attract and retain only the competent ones, and we can achieve this by eliminating the abuses of the visa, aka the bad apples, and then possibly raise of eliminate the cap. We have a shortage of good programmers, but not a shortage of incompetent ones.
Not the ones I have seen. H1Bs aren't treated any different from Americans. They are paid mostly the same and treated the same.
In most cases, if they could get 1 out of those 12 to do the job the H1B is doing, they would.
Here's my personal hiring experience. I put out a job description to hire a programmer with a bachelor degrees. Of the 200 resumes that I got, maybe 2-3 Americans actually have a bachelor's degree and often from university.com type schools. On the other hand, the foreigners, mostly students in US, all have masters from top universities.
What would you do if you were me?
I would hire an American. It seems to me that the ones with advanced degrees would be overqualified. The fact that you got Americans applying tells me that we don't need H1-Bs.
You are too stuck on education and completely skip over work ethics.
I'm not stuck on education. It's you H1-B cheerleaders who keep bringing it up.
You mention "1950s work ethic". Yet, at the same time, you H1-B cheerleaders have no problems dumping older, experienced Americans who keep their skills up to date in favor of young H1-Bs. We all know why that is---you can pay the H1-B a lot less money.
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It's more the other way around...you'd need at least 3-4 H1Bs to match a single competent American.
