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You are too stuck on education and completely skip over work ethics.
Rather, she is stuck on "experience". Her argument is that if people were already working, then they are experienced. While this is technically true, experience alone doesn't make one qualified or competent. Some of the most incompetent people I've worked with have been in their positions for 10+ years and haven't been fired just because they are so good at covering their mistakes by blaming them on their coworkers. She cannot get over the idea that there are American employees that deserve to be fired and unemployed. She would rather see incompetent Americans get hired and waste the company's resources than competent foreign workers that are competent and productive get hired.
Just admit that if 12 experienced American citizen IT workers are let go and replaced with 1 H1-B visa holder, then there is no shortage of experienced Americans.
Just because there are 12 people doing a job that 1 person could do, does NOT necessarily say that those 12 people were all incompetent. They are obviously experienced as they were given jobs.
I have yet to see a single H1B who could replace 12 people. It's more the other way around...you'd need at least 3-4 H1Bs to match a single competent American. The ones still in India are even worse. The offshore staff we have at my company are THE WORST. Not only are they far less productive than we are, but we spend inordinate amounts of time fixing their mistakes. Our jobs would be easier (and we'd have less to do) if they weren't there.
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Originally Posted by Pruzhany
Issue here is what is the standard for as BS degree? Asian and European degrees have very little filler and are STEM. From what I've seen from current US transcripts, they have too much filler and not enough STEM. So you're not matching apples to apples. This needs to be fixed first. Scholarships are not needed for those who simply want to study IT, it needs to go to those who can maintain a B or higher is STEM classes only and thus not end up with high debt upon graduation and instead have the funds to get further education and cerifications.
I've worked with a LOT of Indian immigrants. Here's my take. They are usually somewhat competent in I.T. By "somewhat," I mean that they can complete tasks if given enough instruction and enough time. They are big cut-and-pasters. They usually do not put much thought into their code, and the quality of it is very low. I've seen such catastrophic failures in systems written by them that other on-shore departments had to be looped in to triage the errors and hot-fix them in production. Think of the most catastrophic problems you could possibly imagine in a computer system and you'd be somewhat close to the kinds of things I see on a daily basis. The only reason that the whole thing doesn't come crashing down is people like me are there to catch these people when they fall on their butts.
Also, having worked with tons of H1Bs (mostly from India), I can tell you that they are not very smart. At all. They usually know little to nothing about world history, culture, geography, government, economics, philosophy, psychology, composition and rhetoric, fine art/music, etc. This includes the history/government/etc. OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY. It's mind-boggling how ignorant some of them are. They. Know. Nothing. They're here being paid ridiculous sums of money to do jobs that Americans are fully capable of doing, and they are as helpless and naive as any 8 year-old. They will call a plumber to unclog a toilet without attempting to use a plunger first. They will call an electrician to change a light bulb. They arrive not knowing how to do laundry, how to put gas in a car, how to use a checking account, how to use an ATM, how to grocery shop, etc. It's appalling. Obviously whatever firms are sending them here do not give them even a basic crash-course in how to live/work in the United States.
I've had to explain to one of them...who just bought a half-million dollar house...how the purchase will affect their credit score, their tax burden, etc. They didn't know about property taxes. I'm guessing their mortgage broker just assumed they knew??
I've met H1Bs who didn't know anything about the history of their country prior to the 1950s. I've met some who had never heard of the Holocaust. Literally. One didn't know that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. Some had never heard of the Roman Empire. I'm not kidding. One guy thought you could get AIDS from shaking hands. Another became very frightened of a coworker when he heard he was Jewish. I wish I was kidding.
I'm not.
Obviously, their education system is letting them down. When you sacrifice a well-rounded education in favor of a vocational system with a laser-like focus on one or two narrow subject areas, you basically produce...well...idiots. It's not their fault. But it is stunning.
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It's more the other way around...you'd need at least 3-4 H1Bs to match a single competent American. The ones still in India are even worse. The offshore staff we have at my company are THE WORST. Not only are they far less productive than we are, but we spend inordinate amounts of time fixing their mistakes. Our jobs would be easier (and we'd have less to do) if they weren't there.
