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I get angry when people compare the Nazi symbol on a flag to the Confederate Flag. There is nothing positive about Nazis.
The men who fought for the south in the civil war mostly not slave owners. They were good men. The confederate flag is a real part of our culture and the history in America.
So many seem to want to rewrite, bury, forget our history. Nothing good can come of it.
That is true, many who fought for the south didn't own slaves and were probably good men. So what? They fought for the institution of slavery, and the flag they fought under to retain this horrific institution shouldn't be honored on official government property. I am sure that many who fought in the German army in WWII were good men, too, but we don't honor the flag they fought under because that, too, represents a horrific cause for which they were fighting. Thanks for providing such a good analogy.
History will live on in history books, where it belongs.
The Confederate Battle Flag is a reminder of the triumph of the Union and the eradication of private chattel slavery, something to celebrate - not fear or hate.
Unless, of course, your goal is to destroy the united States of America with public chattel slavery (socialism) and perpetual indebtedness to usurers (banks). Then it IS intolerable to be reminded that folks may rebel.
Talk about trying to re-write history, you have a real flare for fiction. The Confederate flag has never, ever been used to celebrate the end of slavery. It has, however, been used by the KKK to instill fear and by state governments in a knee-jerk reaction to the Civil Rights Movement and more recently by White Supremacy groups like the murder of nine people in a Bible study belonged to.
lets just pretend that the confederate flag, under its many names and variations, didn't represent a belief, as outlined by the articles of secession of multiple states, that one of the main reasons for secession was slavery. let us pretend that the cornerstone speech, delivered by the vice president of the confederacy, didn't state, "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea (all men are created equal); its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."
let us pretend that mississippi didn't adopt the stars and bars as part of its state flag until 1894, 4 years after disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of blacks with restrictive voting laws and near the beginning of the jim crow era. let us pretend that south carolina, the first state to secede, didn't begin flying the confederate flag from their state house until after the civil right act of 1960 was signed into law and georgia didn't add the stars and bars to its state flag until after the supreme court ruling on brown vs the board of education. lets just pretend that this flag hasn't been used as a means of intimidating black people in this country all the way back to the late 19th century.
even without all of that aforementioned history, that flag is STILL a symbol of treason and no government entity should be endorsing a symbol from an era in which people were seeking to destroy this union under the laughable guise of, "states rights."
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion.
However, I look at it a different way.
People CHOSE to join a union.
They have the SAME right to CHOOSE to NOT be a member of the same union.
The Constitution itself guarantees the RIGHT for Freedom of Assembly"
are you disputing that only 50 years ago Southern states were oppressing their own people under the banner of "states rights"? I am sorry, but I just can't see the South ever living that down in my lifetime. The fact that they are so consistently BEHIND THE TIMES is unfathomable that it cannot be random.
It's not random. We all know what the rebel flag represents. The far-right wingers in the deep south just come up with new terms to hide it, such as "state's rights" or some drek. No, this is about "those people" and how the south is still mad that the north took away their slaves. They can dance around the issue all they want, but I have yet to see a single one of them present a valid argument that can't also be used to white-wash everything from Nazis to ISIS. So, either those groups are also "okay" and "shouldn't be viewed through the lens of modern sensibilities," or the rebel flag is exactly what we all know it is: a symbol of racism, bigotry, and violent revolt.
I don't remember them complaining about it a few weeks ago.
Of course we know that it's because their messiah and his favorite race baiter told them to. But I just wanted to hear their excuses as to why they suddenly decided to be outraged.
Americans have long view the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of racism displayed by total losers.
I guess it's okay with Walmart that Americans are being beheaded by ISIS (make a cake please) and apparently the Confederate Flags are worse than beheadings... (no Confederate cakes please... too offensive)
hrmm....
Calm down. No one is saying any of those things. They are saying the person at Walmart probably didn't recognize the ISIS flag. Nothing more, nothing less. Now..take a deep breath.
That is true, many who fought for the south didn't own slaves and were probably good men. So what? They fought for the institution of slavery, and the flag they fought under to retain this horrific institution shouldn't be honored on official government property. I am sure that many who fought in the German army in WWII were good men, too, but we don't honor the flag they fought under because that, too, represents a horrific cause for which they were fighting. Thanks for providing such a good analogy.
History will live on in history books, where it belongs.
You don't see the difference between Nazi Germany and the Confederacy? I could never begin to debate you on why you are wrong, as that would require you had at least some education in both world and American history. An education so many lack in our country, to our significant deficit.
They don't. They like the flag percisely for its racist meaning.
Exactly. Get anyone one of those rebel flag flying yokels away from the cameras - or get them a bit drunk - and the "n-word" will be dripping from their mouth in no time. This is exactly about retaining racism in the nation - and other forms of hatred, such hatred against gays, people of other faiths, etc. - and nothing else. They are just ticked that the country as a whole is waking up and asking why we have nuts still flying the flag of a slave-owning failed state over 150 years after it was thankfully defeated in war.
lets just pretend that the confederate flag, under its many names and variations, didn't represent a belief, as outlined by the articles of secession of multiple states, that one of the main reasons for secession was slavery. let us pretend that the cornerstone speech, delivered by the vice president of the confederacy, didn't state, "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea (all men are created equal); its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."
let us pretend that mississippi didn't adopt the stars and bars as part of its state flag until 1894, 4 years after disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of blacks with restrictive voting laws and near the beginning of the jim crow era. let us pretend that south carolina, the first state to secede, didn't begin flying the confederate flag from their state house until after the civil right act of 1960 was signed into law and georgia didn't add the stars and bars to its state flag until after the supreme court ruling on brown vs the board of education. lets just pretend that this flag hasn't been used as a means of intimidating black people in this country all the way back to the late 19th century.
even without all of that aforementioned history, that flag is STILL a symbol of treason and no government entity should be endorsing a symbol from an era in which people were seeking to destroy this union under the laughable guise of, "states rights."
You can argue that Flying the confederate flag perpetrates a long and incredibly entrenched tradition of organized racism, bigotry, and terrorism. You can even argue that this flag must come down as quickly as possible, and that we as a nation will be better for it.
At the same time, you need to pause for a minute, to add some understanding of what the flag means to some of the people in the South.
Right now, overwhelming majority of the country are lashing out at the South who wave the confederate flag, and we need to stop if we want to have any hope of accomplishing what we need to accomplish—real movement toward better understanding and inclusiveness for everyone.
Why can't you people give southern people a chance to tell their experience, without judging them first. let’s be honest, if you look at most media on the subject. We humans—when we have insight into right and wrong—cannot seem to help becoming loud, strident, judgmental and preachy. "If you are from the south and wave that flag, you are a racist, you know it. It doesn't matter you have minority as friend, it doesn't matter you treat everybody with human decency and respect. It doesn't matter, you must be at least a closet racist." Man, listen to yourself for a change. Nobody is going to take you seriously if all you do is condemning.
The real change happens when we do not force someone to do something different, but we change their hearts and minds, and then they make this change of their own free will. Is it not?
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(no Confederate cakes please... too offensive)
