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The "kid" is a 24 yr old man, why would you repeatedly refer to him as a kid? Please show this adult respect.
Because most things in life are relative - he is a "kid" to me. Is that really the issue that bothers you? How about trying to pin a felony on this kid for no sensible reason? That doesn't bother you one bit?
Looks like it. The video is cut in a way that I cannot figure out exactly where he started though, so the dorm lot and the 7-11 might not have been feasible. But there are still a -lot- of well-lit business along Hwy 84 before he gets to the Sam's Club.
Even weirder, most of these businesses would have been a right turn off the highway. The Sam's Club required a left turn through a light to get to it. The strip mall at 6285 Bay Rd would be much easier to get to than the Sam's Club and much sooner along his route. The route he took only really makes sense if he was trying to stall for time for some reason.
Not necessarily. Every police recommendation I've seen says to find a "well lit public" place to stop (meaning other people around) - Sam's/Wally World parking lot was the only place at that time of night that was open.
Wilson reported that after he turned flashing lights at the intersection of Bay and Liberty, Wallace continued southbound at about 35 miles per hour as he approached Kochville Road.
Bay and Liberty is 1/2 mile past 7-11 and only 1 mile to Sam's Club.
The prosecutor will get laughed out of the county if he takes this case to court, he is trying to bluff the kid into copping a plea hoping to keep it out of the courts.
Is this what we want to clog the courts with. Is this what we want to send to prison.
If everyone would fight the tickets they received the courts would back up five years in the first two months. It's about a 40 billion per year source of revenue nation wide. Easier just to pay it. That's why/and how we promote this ridicules nonsense.
Not necessarily. Every police recommendation I've seen says to find a "well lit public" place to stop (meaning other people around) - Sam's/Wally World parking lot was the only place at that time of night that was open.
Wilson reported that after he turned flashing lights at the intersection of Bay and Liberty, Wallace continued southbound at about 35 miles per hour as he approached Kochville Road.
Bay and Liberty is 1/2 mile past 7-11 and only 1 mile to Sam's Club.
The prosecutor will get laughed out of the county if he takes this case to court, he is trying to bluff the kid into copping a plea hoping to keep it out of the courts.
There is also a nightclub at that intersection that would definitely be open at that hour. So why didn't he pull into that nightclub parking lot instead of driving down to the Sam's Club that had been closed for over 3 hours?
Although I seriously wonder what the heck a university police officer is doing that far off campus next to a nightclub?
I think reasonable doubt means there is no chance of this charge in court though; even if he was trying to stall for some reason, there's no demonstrative motive whatsoever. His explanation does make sense even if some of the actions involved are strange.
I've heard the media tell women if it's an unmarked police car and they feel uneasy about it that they should find a safe area to pull over. The guy seemed like he was pretty level headed and I'm sure the charges will be dropped. The problem with this is when the media blasts these very random incidents all over the place it gives trouble causers another tool to use against the police.
As I posted, I have heard this advice many times - from all over the country for many years. I do not know if that was the case in this man's area, but since he did exactly what all these other PD's have advised, I would think he had heard it too.
The point is, if LE Departments are going to issue these warning and related suggestions - it is damn wrong of them to then charge people when they follow the suggestion. And if you are going to rely on these pronouncement by LE, you'd best be aware of the unintended consequences.
"If a motorist feels uneasy about stopping for a police officer, he or she should call 911 and advise the dispatcher who will relay the information to the patrol officer, Gordon said. He advised driving to a lighted area."
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"Wareham police advise us not to stop in any remote or unlit areas. They say to call 9-1-1 or head to the nearest police station."
"Sheriff Ken Campbell reminds the public to always use caution when being stopped by someone identifying themselves as law enforcement. In Indiana, officers are required to be in full uniform or in a fully marked police car in order to stop a motorist."
---------------------------------------------------------- Pocono-area police warn public of officer impersonators - News - poconorecord.com - Stroudsburg, PA
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Complicating efforts to halt such practices is that police gear can be easily obtained over the Internet or at brick-and-mortar stores that sell uniforms and other equipment, Reed said
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State police tell motorists who are being pulled over by a person in an unmarked vehicle or who may not be a police officer to follow a few safety tips:
Put on your flashers, drive the speed limit and call 911 from your cellphone. Tell the 911 dispatcher that you are concerned. "If you do not have a cellphone, drive to a well-lit, busy area, such as the parking lot of a busy store."
"Police say as long as you continue to drive safely, it’s OK to continue to a populated, well-lit area before pulling over."
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And just to show that this is nothing new... Here is an article from 1994...
Police say if you are being pulled over and you are not sure it is by a real officer there are some things you can do to protect yourself.
First, turn on your flashers. That will let the officer know you are aware he’s behind you. Then you can drive to a safe place, and call 911. Tell them what is going on, and they can tell you if that officer is legitimate.
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There is also a nightclub at that intersection that would definitely be open at that hour. So why didn't he pull into that nightclub parking lot instead of driving down to the Sam's Club that had been closed for over 3 hours?
Although I seriously wonder what the heck a university police officer is doing that far off campus next to a nightclub?
I think reasonable doubt means there is no chance of this charge in court though; even if he was trying to stall for some reason, there's no demonstrative motive whatsoever. His explanation does make sense even if some of the actions involved are strange.
The Wally World 10 feet away from Sam's is open 24 hrs a day.
The Wally World 10 feet away from Sam's is open 24 hrs a day.
Over 100 feet away even at the closest point between the buildings, 1170 feet away from the road, and over 900 feet away from where he stopped, as well having a separate entrance 500 feet north of the one he turned into.
Over 100 feet away even at the closest point between the buildings, 1170 feet away from the road, and over 900 feet away from where he stopped, as well having a separate entrance 500 feet north of the one he turned into.
The kid was doing exactly what his Momma and cops all over the country told him: FIND A WELL-LIT PUBLIC PLACE TO STOP.
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