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Old 12-27-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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Here's a scary story about flu:

Near deadly holiday flu case for one girl - CNN.com

 
Old 12-27-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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Immunity falls apart
The center cannot hold
 
Old 12-27-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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For every scary story about flu, there are millions more completely boring and uneventful flu stories.
 
Old 12-27-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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For every scary story about flu, there are millions more completely boring and uneventful flu stories.
There were millions who caught the polio virus too and never became crippled. The problem is some did.
 
Old 12-27-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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There were millions who caught the polio virus too and never became crippled. The problem is some did.
Exactly! And you know what, for every scary story like that about the flu, there is way more than one boring story. Most people who get the flu do not have life threatening illness or die. But. . . 90% of the kids who do die from flu have not been immunized, and the flu shot is very effective in preventing severe flu.

A couple more points:

1. Unlike measles, mumps and chickenpox, which 95% of kids contracted by adulthood pre-vaccine, or even rubella which about 85% got, the actual incidence of polio was not that high. In 1952, the very worst year of the polio epidemic, there were about 21,000 reported cases of paralytic polio and about 60,000 reported cases total.
Pinkbook | Polio | Epidemiology of Vaccine Preventable Diseases | CDC
Polio
Polio Cases, Deaths, and Vaccination Rates - Vaccines - ProCon.org (graph)

By contrast, an average of 542,000 cases of measles annually were reported in the US.
Measles Elimination in the United States (contains graph)

In addition, polio was eliminated from the entire western hemisphere in 1992. There is no endemic polio, from northernmost Canada to southernmost Chile and Argentina.

Yet polio is the vaccine even vaccine-hesitant parents usually want their kids to get. Now I would never, ever, in a million years suggest that a parent not give their child the polio vaccine. As the epidemiologists say, "it's just an airplane ride away", and polio has been brought into the US since 1992. But it's funny, as in both amusing and ironic, that polio is the disease these young parents fear.

Flu, OTOH, cause >100 pediatric deaths pretty much every year. There are from 3000 to 49,000 deaths due to flu total in the US every year. Flu is the VPD most kids are hospitalized for.
Estimating Seasonal Influenza-Associated Deaths in the United States: CDC Study Confirms Variability of Flu | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC

BTW, this flu season could be mild and will probably peak in February. And yet, this little girl in the link got it in December and is seriously ill. You can't predict who will get hit hard.
Flu Season Will Likely Peak in February, Model Suggests

Last edited by Katarina Witt; 12-27-2015 at 04:35 PM..
 
Old 12-28-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt View Post
Exactly! And you know what, for every scary story like that about the flu, there is way more than one boring story. Most people who get the flu do not have life threatening illness or die. But. . . 90% of the kids who do die from flu have not been immunized, and the flu shot is very effective in preventing severe flu.

A couple more points:

1. Unlike measles, mumps and chickenpox, which 95% of kids contracted by adulthood pre-vaccine, or even rubella which about 85% got, the actual incidence of polio was not that high. In 1952, the very worst year of the polio epidemic, there were about 21,000 reported cases of paralytic polio and about 60,000 reported cases total.
Pinkbook | Polio | Epidemiology of Vaccine Preventable Diseases | CDC
Polio
Polio Cases, Deaths, and Vaccination Rates - Vaccines - ProCon.org (graph)

By contrast, an average of 542,000 cases of measles annually were reported in the US.
Measles Elimination in the United States (contains graph)

In addition, polio was eliminated from the entire western hemisphere in 1992. There is no endemic polio, from northernmost Canada to southernmost Chile and Argentina.

Yet polio is the vaccine even vaccine-hesitant parents usually want their kids to get. Now I would never, ever, in a million years suggest that a parent not give their child the polio vaccine. As the epidemiologists say, "it's just an airplane ride away", and polio has been brought into the US since 1992. But it's funny, as in both amusing and ironic, that polio is the disease these young parents fear.

Flu, OTOH, cause >100 pediatric deaths pretty much every year. There are from 3000 to 49,000 deaths due to flu total in the US every year. Flu is the VPD most kids are hospitalized for.
Estimating Seasonal Influenza-Associated Deaths in the United States: CDC Study Confirms Variability of Flu | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC

BTW, this flu season could be mild and will probably peak in February. And yet, this little girl in the link got it in December and is seriously ill. You can't predict who will get hit hard.
Flu Season Will Likely Peak in February, Model Suggests
Maybe her parents need to move to another state if they are looking for Herd Immunity.

1. Florida - Flu vaccine: 15 states that say no to the needle - Pictures - CBS News
 
Old 12-28-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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Maybe her parents need to move to another state if they are looking for Herd Immunity.

1. Florida - Flu vaccine: 15 states that say no to the needle - Pictures - CBS News
Crazy that California says 38% vaccinated only and we just passed a law stating no more exemptions for personal or religious reasons for school. I guess this means 50% of the population or more is going to be home-schooled?
 
Old 12-28-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Maybe her parents need to move to another state if they are looking for Herd Immunity.

1. Florida - Flu vaccine: 15 states that say no to the needle - Pictures - CBS News
Right, that's always the solution, just quit your jobs, pack up and move.
 
Old 12-28-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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Crazy that California says 38% vaccinated only and we just passed a law stating no more exemptions for personal or religious reasons for school. I guess this means 50% of the population or more is going to be home-schooled?
Influenza vaccine is not on California's mandatory immunization list.
 
Old 12-31-2015, 07:54 AM
 
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Crazy that California says 38% vaccinated only and we just passed a law stating no more exemptions for personal or religious reasons for school. I guess this means 50% of the population or more is going to be home-schooled?
Adult flu shot rates. Adults do not need an exemption to refuse a flu shot.

http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/flu-vaccination-map/

Medicare Beneficiaries Weekly Tracking Flu Vaccination rates. Obviously, the old folks don't need any exemptions for school; whether in California or not.

Last edited by Jo48; 12-31-2015 at 08:03 AM..
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