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Old 11-15-2015, 06:47 AM
 
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Sanders: "Climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism." What????? What is this guy smoking?

This shows the stupidity of this man, and his lack of understanding of Islam, and the goal of Islam of World domination, to bring the entire World under Sharia Law, and wiping out Western civilization.
"Stupid is as stupid does."

Either you are not paying attention, a little slow, or maybe you are the one smoking a bit too much...

"Sanders isn't alone in arguing that climate change has the potential to make international conflicts worse. According to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, "Extreme weather, climate change, and public policies that affect food and water supplies will probably create or exacerbate humanitarian crises and instability risks." The Department of Defense says that climate change "poses immediate risks to US national security" and has the potential to exacerbate terrorism. There's also substantial evidence that drought linked to climate change helped spark Syria's civil war."

At least get a clue...

Sanders warned that global warming could cause international conflicts "over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to…grow crops."
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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At least get a clue...

Sanders warned that global warming could cause international conflicts "over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to…grow crops."
And that can't possibly happen? Water level rise won't displace people? Everything stays the same when the global temperature rises? We can argue about the severity of it but dismiss it out of hands is pretty myopic.

For your reading pleasure. Google is a great tool.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamescon...lobal-warming/
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Republican candidates are much better speakers.
Actually, the Dems answer questions. The GOP 'debate' last week was a bunch of people reading prepared speeches.

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Old 11-15-2015, 07:08 AM
 
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Most impressionable moments of the debate:

-Bernie is still saying that climate change is our greatest national security issue.

-Hillary Clinton tried to link her ties to Wall Street with 9/11. That will make for some interesting TV ads later on.

-Clinton refused to call the terror "radical Islam".

Overall, all three candidates were tripped up on national security and seemed frazzled. A lot of campaign ads for Republicans were made during this debate.
Climate change is an issue of contention between liberals and conservatives, so it is no wonder that conservatives view Bernie's concerns (and those of many others) as misguided. Biden said, "It's almost like denying gravity now... the willing suspension of disbelief can only be sustained for so long."

Hillary tried to explain why/how she worked with Wall Street at the time of 9/11. "I represented New York and I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where we were attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is," she said.

"I did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild; that was good for New York, that was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country. It's fine for you to say what you're going to say but ... my proposal is tougher, more effective and more comprehensive because I go after all of Wall Street, not just the big banks," she said.

It's called context, and although I have to admit that trying to explain what she did, the mention of 9/11 and Wall Street within that context, was probably not smart. Maybe true, but no doubt anti-Hillary fodder for those who are looking for it.

The refrain from terms like "radical Islam" might also be negligible attempts at keeping the Islamaphobia to a minimum, but I understand the effort. Does the term "radical Christians" impugn radicals or Christians? Just words, perhaps, no doubt easy to interpret as we wish, but I appreciate the effort to draw these distinctions that all too many people are loath to bother with.

“I don’t think we’re at war with Islam. I don’t think we’re at war with all Muslims,” Mrs. Clinton said.

“The term is not what’s important,” said Sanders. “What’s important is we have organizations like ISIS and Al Qaeda who want us to go back several thousand years, who believe we should make women third class citizens, that children should be sexually assaulted.” Former Maryland governor O’Malley also refused to use the words “radical Islam.” “Calling it what it is is to say radical jihadists,” he said. “Let’s not fall into the trap of thinking our Muslim neighbors and friends are our enemies. We are going to defeat ISIS there and around the world because Muslim Americans in our country and around the world are going to see ISIS is perverting the name of a great religion.”

Better than most of what the GOP contenders for POTUS are trying to tell us anyway...
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:12 AM
 
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Actuallly, the Dems actually answer questions. The GOP 'debate' last week was a bunch of people reading prepared speeches.
Long ago the DNC already picked the person you will be voting for. It's quite obvious the fix is in. Not so much for the RNC, which is actually a good thing, because many times in the past both parties have had their fixes in early in the 4 year election cycle. Hillary Clinton and the DNC will lose the presidential election because of this farce.
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:14 AM
 
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Actuallly, the Dems actually answer questions. The GOP 'debate' last week was a bunch of people reading prepared speeches.
The GOP debate. Did you hear what I heard?

"My simple Flat Tax says that, for a family of four, for the first $36,000 you earn, you pay no taxes whatsoever. No income taxes, no payroll taxes, no nothing."

What happened to the conservative mantra about everyone needing to have "skin in the game?"

"Which means that no longer do you have hedge-fund billionaires paying a lower tax rate than their secretaries."

I thought that was a liberal myth...

"Right now, with our corporate income tax, giant corporations with armies of accountants regularly are paying little to no taxes while small businesses are getting hammered."

Since when???

It is expensive to raise children in the 21st century, and families that are raising children are raising the future taxpayers of the United States, and everything costs more. In 35 out of 50 states, child care costs more than college.

And so, yes, I have a child tax credit increase, and I’m proud of it. I am proud that I have a pro-family tax code, because the pro- family tax plan I have will strengthen the most important institution in the — in the country, the family.


But who pays for these give-aways?

"We have to make our military bigger, better, stronger than ever before so that nobody messes with us, and a long run, it’s going to save us."

Oorah!

"Go to a three-page tax code. Yes, there are plans that would reform our tax code to three pages."

Brilliant! Where would we be without the GOP?
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Climate change is an issue of contention between liberals and conservatives, so it is no wonder that conservatives view Bernie's concerns (and those of many others) as misguided. Biden said, "It's almost like denying gravity now... the willing suspension of disbelief can only be sustained for so long."

Hillary tried to explain why/how she worked with Wall Street at the time of 9/11. "I represented New York and I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where we were attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is," she said.

"I did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild; that was good for New York, that was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country. It's fine for you to say what you're going to say but ... my proposal is tougher, more effective and more comprehensive because I go after all of Wall Street, not just the big banks," she said.

It's called context, and although I have to admit that trying to explain what she did, the mention of 9/11 and Wall Street within that context, was probably not smart. Maybe true, but no doubt anti-Hillary fodder for those who are looking for it.

The refrain from terms like "radical Islam" might also be negligible attempts at keeping the Islamaphobia to a minimum, but I understand the effort. Does the term "radical Christians" impugn radicals or Christians? Just words, perhaps, no doubt easy to interpret as we wish, but I appreciate the effort to draw these distinctions that all too many people are loath to bother with.

“I don’t think we’re at war with Islam. I don’t think we’re at war with all Muslims,” Mrs. Clinton said.

“The term is not what’s important,” said Sanders. “What’s important is we have organizations like ISIS and Al Qaeda who want us to go back several thousand years, who believe we should make women third class citizens, that children should be sexually assaulted.” Former Maryland governor O’Malley also refused to use the words “radical Islam.” “Calling it what it is is to say radical jihadists,” he said. “Let’s not fall into the trap of thinking our Muslim neighbors and friends are our enemies. We are going to defeat ISIS there and around the world because Muslim Americans in our country and around the world are going to see ISIS is perverting the name of a great religion.”

Better than most of what the GOP contenders for POTUS are trying to tell us anyway...

Is Hillary trying to allege that Wall Street was paying her a salary to help them? What an idiot. You don't "help" someone by taking money from them when they are down. This is like selling water to people dying of thirst in a drought.
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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Is Hillary trying to allege that Wall Street was paying her a salary to help them? What an idiot. You don't "help" someone by taking money from them when they are down. This is like selling water to people dying of thirst in a drought.
Not sure how long you have been in the United States and/or how long you have been following politics, but the acceptance of money for purposes of running a campaign for POTUS is hardly anything new. In fact, I would consider the influence of money in our political system the number one problem with our political system, as Bernie Sanders also laments.

I am not happy that any of the candidates cater to special interests, lobbyists, but blaming any for taking money from PACs, etc., given the political system they are forced to compete within, is rather naive.

Just look at the millions flowing to just about every candidate for POTUS and as long as we allow this system to continue, "he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone..."
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Climate change is an issue of contention between liberals and conservatives, so it is no wonder that conservatives view Bernie's concerns (and those of many others) as misguided. Biden said, "It's almost like denying gravity now... the willing suspension of disbelief can only be sustained for so long."

Hillary tried to explain why/how she worked with Wall Street at the time of 9/11. "I represented New York and I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where we were attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is," she said.

"I did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild; that was good for New York, that was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country. It's fine for you to say what you're going to say but ... my proposal is tougher, more effective and more comprehensive because I go after all of Wall Street, not just the big banks," she said.

It's called context, and although I have to admit that trying to explain what she did, the mention of 9/11 and Wall Street within that context, was probably not smart. Maybe true, but no doubt anti-Hillary fodder for those who are looking for it.

The refrain from terms like "radical Islam" might also be negligible attempts at keeping the Islamaphobia to a minimum, but I understand the effort. Does the term "radical Christians" impugn radicals or Christians? Just words, perhaps, no doubt easy to interpret as we wish, but I appreciate the effort to draw these distinctions that all too many people are loath to bother with.

“I don’t think we’re at war with Islam. I don’t think we’re at war with all Muslims,” Mrs. Clinton said.

“The term is not what’s important,” said Sanders. “What’s important is we have organizations like ISIS and Al Qaeda who want us to go back several thousand years, who believe we should make women third class citizens, that children should be sexually assaulted.” Former Maryland governor O’Malley also refused to use the words “radical Islam.” “Calling it what it is is to say radical jihadists,” he said. “Let’s not fall into the trap of thinking our Muslim neighbors and friends are our enemies. We are going to defeat ISIS there and around the world because Muslim Americans in our country and around the world are going to see ISIS is perverting the name of a great religion.”

Better than most of what the GOP contenders for POTUS are trying to tell us anyway...
It's nice to see that at least a few people in this thread understood what the candidates were saying last night about the very complex issues facing the world and the U.S.A.
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Old 11-15-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What i find the most interesting is that this thread is low in number posts compared to the repub debates that means very few watched or cared on the Left.

3 candidates on the dem side, and 8 on the repubs.

bernie hit with issues deflected to the socialist system to rescue, hillary deflected to the previous years with bush, and O'Malley... he was just playing catch up.

the comments on this thread came from less than 10 people the whole time.

as i said in one of my first posts they're going to dig a hole for themselves and they did...

Cover 'em up! They're done!

Who needs to worry?

Dems.

Period.
There is a reason nobody is responding to these posts. Have you read them? The majority of the comments are poorly written, use crude or no logic at all, are childishly derogatory and reflect very little thought regarding the questions or responses.

After I read a ridiculous comment claiming "Clinton has no foreign policy chops," I pretty much tuned out of the thread. She quite obviously has more foreign policy experience than any of the other candidates--Dems or GOP--as well as excellent relationships with leaders and officials all over the globe, so it seems like a fruitless venture to attempt to 'debate' those with such uninformed views as reflected in this thread.

The GOP race is a chaotic mess--hardly anything about which to worry.
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