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You're absolutely right of course -- but with Iran, Saudi and Pakistan fighting amongst themselves, Israel does come out ahead. Also of note: Israel is being very very quiet about it so as not to spoil a good thing, but ISIS fighting Syrian and Iraqi forces likewise sidetracks a whole lot of Muslims that wanna kill them.
What Israel must undoubtedly worry about is what happens after the dust settles and somebody actually wins these wars or prospective wars.
I do wonder how serious Pakistan is here. They probably have the military might to carry out their threats against Iran, but only if they completely turn their backs on their own personal boogieman, India.
I believe politics is all local. Pakistan would love to nuke Iran regardless.
After the dust settles, they'll start all over again. As long as they all remain Muslims they'll fight amongst themselves.
Iraq did not lose that war. The war had no winner and no loser. It was a draw. But the Iranians were using child soldiers, so that tells you something about their "military capabilities".
Any war that drags on long enough will have child soldiers. That's not an anomaly. The Iranians were fighting against some incredible odds.
Besides, if we couldn't even defeat their children in our proxy war, then your case is failing by the minute.
Ok, Saudi Arabia is destroyed by Iran , Iran is destroyed by Pakistan and then Pakistan is wiped out by Russia.
What's the downside?
I'm not really seeing one.
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Pakistan cannot afford to nuke Iran. They simply can't afford to raise the stakes that high. If they could, they would've nuked India already.
Pakistani nuclear weapons are defensive in nature.
They're all low yield, minimal range weapons designed to be used against massed armor and infantry units, fired from towed field artillery.
Pakistan did have a handful of 5-10 kt warheads that were gravity bombs to be delivered by the B-57G, but Pakistan retired their B-57 bombers back in the 1990s.
I believe Pakistan purchased the Mirage III from France to replace the role of the B-57s as a strike aircraft.
The Mirage should be able to deliver.
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Iraq did not lose that war.
Right, that's why the US had to intervene and sink Iranian destroyers.
Tell us again why the US destroyed the Iranian navy?
Because the Iraqis were fleeing.
The US sold destroyers to the Shah --- you know, because destroyers are what builds nations -- and those destroyers had the SPS-29C air search radar (theoretical range ~135 miles) and they can detect Iraqi aircraft and then shoot them down with the RIM-66s.
Plus, the destroyers can fire their 127mm guns as artillery.
The destroyers cruise along the coast of the Persian Gulf in the Basra/Delta Region to screen, while Iranian army units advance along the coast chasing the fleeing Iraqis.
Get it?
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Iraq did lose the war, Iraq did not accomplish the objective of the war they started.
Iraq had the backing of most of the world, Iran just came out of a revolution and obtained little support except underhanded arms deals.
Don't forget that Khomeini summarily executed seven generals and the head of the SAVAK. The SAVAK director was dead meat, but the generals could have survived if they had not listened to the idiot Carter and tried to seize control of the Iranian government from the Shah in a coup attempt.
Additionally, Khomeini relieved many army officers of duty or imprisoned them, so there was a definite shortage of qualified leadership in the Iranian army at that time.
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A nice little regional nuclear confrontation would lower temps by 0.3C. Liberals should be praying for conflict.
Don't count on it.
Pakistan's entire arsenal is uranium-based, so max yield for any warhead is theoretically 60 kt. "Theoretically" because no one has ever deployed a 60 kt uranium-based warhead (although France had a 40 kt warhead that was deliverable by the Entendards).
If we assume that Pakistan has 20 kt warheads and surface burst 4 of them, then it's quite possible the plume could throw material - dust, sand, dirt etc and other matter like burnt carbon/hydrocarbons from oil wells -- into the Stratosphere having some temporary short-lived limited affect on the weather in the same manner that Mount Saint Helens or Mount Pinatubo did with their eruptions.
The Israelis aren't worried anyway. They know Iran isn't a threat.
And Pakistan isn't about to attack Iran over Saudi Arabia, let alone wipe them out. They aren't about to nuke anyone. They can't afford to raise the stakes that high.
Iran WASN'T a threat until Obama brokered that nuclear deal. Iran is shady. They were providing groups like Jaysh al-Mahdi with supplies to attack coalition forces in Iraq. and that's on a small scale.
Iran WASN'T a threat until Obama brokered that nuclear deal. Iran is shady. They were providing groups like Jaysh al-Mahdi with supplies to attack coalition forces in Iraq. and that's on a small scale.
Coalition forces had no business being in Iraq.
If a non-hemispheric power attacked a nation in this hemisphere, the United States would do exactly what the Iranians did....support their likeminded allies in said country.
Except we were there doing what Iran loved---getting rid of Saddam, their regional enemy, while also slaughtering Sunni extremists who hated Shiite Persian Iran.
I cannot believe you are actually defending the deaths of our soldiers, almost in a celebratory way.
Except we were there doing what Iran loved---getting rid of Saddam, their regional enemy, while also slaughtering Sunni extremists who hated Shiite Persian Iran.
I cannot believe you are actually defending the deaths of our soldiers, almost in a celebratory way.
We weren't there as a proxy for Iran. Stop it. That's revisionism. We were there for our own selfish reasons.
Moreover, where did I defend the deaths of "our soldiers?" Excuse me, but is there some sort of natural immunity to blowback given to Americans that allows us to do whatever we want without fear of repercussions?
We invaded a nation for crying out loud. Invasions have consequences. One of them is death on a large scale. Iran sees itself as THE power in the region, and they're acting no differently than we'd act in the same circumstance had a country in our hemisphere been invaded by a non-hemispheric power in a way that threatens American hegemony over the Americas.
Why should Iran behave any differently? Why shouldn't they make our occupation of a local country in their hemisphere a living nightmare for us? They'd be stupid if they didn't.
The bottom line is that coalition forces had no business in Iraq doing anything...much less overthrowing a government.
That's not celebrating anything. That's the truth.
Pakistan is sponsoring radical Muslims behind the scenes, they should be very quiet.
And when Pakistan threatens Iran with nuclear bombs (which is the only way they can wipe Iran off the face of the Earth), people should not be surprised when Iran is trying to get such weapons as well. I don't consider Iran any worse then Pakistan, so why we treat them differently is beyond me, frankly.
I will always be on Iran's side in that whole Middle Eastern mess...
I think this is how countries get money from the United States. Plan to go to war, but not really and the USA will pay them to not kill each other. Plus, they know we will send our strong men to fight the war they made up! Makes one really wonder if college education is really all people say it is........these are not the brightest people listening or following other countries, let alone leading the USA.
We "the people" seem to not want much from our politicians. Then sit and wonder why they are so out of touch with America.
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