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The scary part is that is what anti gun Bloomberg proposed, banning black males from owning a gun.
The problem with that logic is that the majority of gun deaths in America aren't committed by minorities. Falsely making that claim sounds more palatable to the white viewing or listening audience. The reality is that majority of deaths by firearms are committed by whites. That's excluding the 85,000 per year non-fatal firearm injures and the accidental firearm discharges that results in serious or sometime life crippling injures.
The problem with that logic is that the majority of gun deaths in America aren't committed by minorities. Falsely making that claim sounds more palatable to the white viewing or listening audience. The reality is that majority of deaths by firearms are committed by whites. That's excluding the 85,000 per year non-fatal firearm injures and the accidental firearm discharges that results in serious or sometime life crippling injures.
Incorrect.
You know how I know you have never researched your position before? Because it's off by several magnitudes.
Victims:
Firearm Offenders by race:
The only way you get the "Whites are the majority of firearm deaths" is when you egregiously add in suicide by firearm, thus muddying a criminology debate with a mental health issue.
A young, black, urban, gang affiliated, male is something like 900x more likely to by killed or injured by a firearm then a suburban, white, non-criminal, male.
The problem with that logic is that the majority of gun deaths in America aren't committed by minorities. Falsely making that claim sounds more palatable to the white viewing or listening audience. The reality is that majority of deaths by firearms are committed by whites. That's excluding the 85,000 per year non-fatal firearm injures and the accidental firearm discharges that results in serious or sometime life crippling injures.
Per capita they are, and I'm not the one wanting to ban black people from owning guns al la Jim Crow, anti gun democrat Bloomberg is.
The only problem with Tom Clancy's book Rainbow Six was that the wrong people would have survived after they wiped out most of humanity. Thankfully Clancy saved humankind in his brilliant narrative. I won't give out any more spoilers. Then he died under suspicious circumstances.
DUI deaths are down not because of laws but because of the increase in safety standards in automobiles. Of course this comes at the cost of money and pollution as it makes cars heavier, which requires more gas.
Not to mention almost all of the laws punished illegal action. Not the lawful drinking of any alcohol of choice. Gun laws want to punish all gun owners when conducting legal business, not just those that break the law.
It's not punishing them, it's obstructing/infringing upon them. Stop the hyperbole.
It's akin to the left accusing the right of having a war on woman for being pro-life.
DUI deaths are down not because of laws but because of the increase in safety standards in automobiles. Of course this comes at the cost of money and pollution as it makes cars heavier, which requires more gas.
Not to mention almost all of the laws punished illegal action. Not the lawful drinking of any alcohol of choice. Gun laws want to punish all gun owners when conducting legal business, not just those that break the law.
That's not true at all these laws were put in place back in the 1980's far in advance of any significant safety changes. DWI fatalities decreased by up to 50% because of these laws, the point is we actually put in changes when it came to alcohol, with guns nothing, and no one complained that we were punishing law abiding citizens with sweeping laws.
That's not true at all these laws were put in place back in the 1980's far in advance of any significant safety changes. DWI fatalities decreased by up to 50% because of these laws, the point is we actually put in changes when it came to alcohol, with guns nothing, and no one complained that we were punishing law abiding citizens with sweeping laws.
You both are wrong. DUI fatalities are down due to an emphasis being put on education and enforcement, not laws or car gadgets. Similar to how reductions in drug use is mostly tied to education and treatment instead of tough new laws.
You both are wrong. DUI fatalities are down due to an emphasis being put on education and enforcement, not laws or car gadgets.
If DUI was really taken seriously as a public threat instead of a source of government revenue, interlock devices would be mandated on all operating vehicles and bars would be prohibited from having parking lots.
It's not punishing them, it's obstructing/infringing upon them. Stop the hyperbole.
It's akin to the left accusing the right of having a war on woman for being pro-life.
I am going to disagree, but I understand your sentiment. Having to write essays for a permit, pay hundreds of dollars in fees and time off work, drive an extra hundred miles every time you purchase (like I have to), and the rest of the nonsense that has been coming about while the government officials specifically state that the purpose is to reduce gun ownership then I would have to say yes it is a punishment AND a constitutional infringement.
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That's not true at all these laws were put in place back in the 1980's far in advance of any significant safety changes. DWI fatalities decreased by up to 50% because of these laws, the point is we actually put in changes when it came to alcohol, with guns nothing, and no one complained that we were punishing law abiding citizens with sweeping laws.
What changes? Permitting alcohol sales? No "High Capacity Containers" laws? Or did we educate people on the dangers of drunk driving and only punish people who drove under the influence instead of sweeping laws that regulate people from enjoying their drinks?
There is no way you could compare average firearms laws in states like NY, CA, NJ, etc to alcohol laws with a straight face.
And the laws have been increasing for firearms. We have over 2000 on the books.
You know how I know you have never researched your position before? Because it's off by several magnitudes.
Victims:
Firearm Offenders by race:
The only way you get the "Whites are the majority of firearm deaths" is when you egregiously add in suicide by firearm, thus muddying a criminology debate with a mental health issue.
A young, black, urban, gang affiliated, male is something like 900x more likely to by killed or injured by a firearm then a suburban, white, non-criminal, male.
Why are you excluding firearm suicides? Is it because a white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns. They are still dying by use of firearm. America’s pattern of gun deaths is split across black and white, with the vast majority of whites dying from suicide and a similar proportion of blacks dying from homicide. A similar split occurs with more homicide in diverse urban cities and more suicide in the rural areas that are predominantly white. You can try to deny it all want do the numbers do not lie.
Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for white males between the ages of 10 - 34. It is the 3rd leading cause of death for white males between the ages 35 to 44. It is the 4th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 45 to 54. It is the 7th leading cause of death in white males between the ages of 55 to 64. Here is the CDC chart as my proof:
The only difference between the two groups when it comes to gun deaths is blacks kill each other whereas whites kill themselves.
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