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Old 01-31-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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What was exactly disproven about suicides, were they not caused by guns???
Which wars had all the soldiers killing themselves in battle?

You haven't proven that it's a valid comparison.

Did you ever wonder why everyone objects to suicides being in this comparison, but no one objects to homicides? That's why. You want to compare people shooting people? Fine. You want to compare people shooting themselves? Also fine. But comparing people shooting eachother in one category to people shooting eachother AND themselves in the other category isn't balanced at all.
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Old 01-31-2016, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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What was exactly disproven about suicides, were they not caused by guns???
Would not a person who is mentally unstable and commits suicide by one means, use another means if the original means were not available to them? Ever heard of intentional overdose? Your argument doesn't fly.
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Old 01-31-2016, 07:54 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The US Government has killed more people than all deaths from domestic violence, combined.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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Would not a person who is mentally unstable and commits suicide by one means, use another means if the original means were not available to them? Ever heard of intentional overdose? Your argument doesn't fly.

Unintentional overdose isn't suicide. No matter how you slice or dice it, suicide by firearm is the method most likely used.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Unintentional overdose isn't suicide. No matter how you slice or dice it, suicide by firearm is the method most likely used.
Link? A person who is intent on committing suicide isn't going to not commit suicide because a gun isn't available.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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And people still claim we don't have a problem with guns in America!
And more people die of heart disease in a year or two than all shootings in the history of our country.

And yet people still claim we don't have a problem with fast food.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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What was exactly disproven about suicides, were they not caused by guns???
And yet with all of our millions of guns our suicide rate ranks #50..... looks like those guns are not to blame.

Lots of the countries ranked 1 - 49 have very few guns.

BTW, guns never caused one suicide.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Would not a person who is mentally unstable and commits suicide by one means, use another means if the original means were not available to them? Ever heard of intentional overdose? Your argument doesn't fly.
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Unintentional overdose isn't suicide. No matter how you slice or dice it, suicide by firearm is the method most likely used.
Another example of someone reading what they WANT to read instead of what someone else actually wrote.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Link? A person who is intent on committing suicide isn't going to not commit suicide because a gun isn't available.
This is true. South Korea has a gun ownership rate that is 1% of the USA but a suicide rate 2.5 times the USA.

Obviously guns are not the problem.
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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You are in denial. Suicide isn't a leading cause of death in the African American demographic.
This is what you are replying too:


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Taking a quick guess it looks to be about 8:1 ratio which indicates a slightly higher suicide rate in the white male population compared to the black male population.
That's based on this graph.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._1999-2005.png

Either the Wikipedia data is wrong or you are wrong. Take your pick.
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