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Old 02-12-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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The days of high school educated laborers being able to earn 50k a year is over. The quicker that people realize this and retrain themselves for different jobs the better. If your job can be done by an uneducated peasant in a third world country, I don't have much sympathy for you when you lose it. These people should have taken advantage of the educational opportunities available in the United States instead of just going to work at a factory.

I thought conservatives were supposed to be champions of the free market. This is the free market in action. It may cost some people their jobs, but it saves thousands of other Americans lots of money when they don't have to pay jacked up prices for consumer goods to keep workers employed at overinflated salaries. Moves like this are a net good for the country.

Which jobs are we suppose to retrain for? This is quite the standard boiler plate answer with no real information provided. Are other jobs with training immune from being done in 3rd world countries? Do you mean programmers dont exist in 3rd world countries?

Also another thing incorrect with your post is saying Americans dont have to pay inflated prices because this work is being done in 3rd world countries. This is a fallacy, the reason why this is done is for more profit not for lower prices.

Youre right regarding conservatives being champions of the free market. they never met a trade agreement they didnt love. The more its screws the middle class the better. Yet they whine about illegal immigration? Hypocrites.
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Old 02-12-2016, 08:40 PM
 
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The days of high school educated laborers being able to earn 50k a year is over. The quicker that people realize this and retrain themselves for different jobs the better. If your job can be done by an uneducated peasant in a third world country, I don't have much sympathy for you when you lose it. These people should have taken advantage of the educational opportunities available in the United States instead of just going to work at a factory.

I thought conservatives were supposed to be champions of the free market. This is the free market in action. It may cost some people their jobs, but it saves thousands of other Americans lots of money when they don't have to pay jacked up prices for consumer goods to keep workers employed at overinflated salaries. Moves like this are a net good for the country.
Better yet: how about really clamping down on even legal immigration, especially from 3rd world countries?

Too; after looking at the HUGE student loan debt from going to college, unless it's a high paying job like doctor, CPA, lawyer and so on, even a 6 year college degree ain't a safe bet in 2016. Sorry.
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Old 02-12-2016, 08:46 PM
 
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This is survival in a global market, not corporate green.

Why would a company limit their sales to 5% of the world's population when the world is their oyster?

It's about Mexico's free trade agreements with the rest of the world and wage/ benefits.

Most of the jobs that have and will continue to move to Mexico are union jobs with benefits, as negotiated over the years. The link said 3/4 of the jobs being eliminated have annual wages of $55-70,000 a year. Surely the move will halve that. No bargaining agreements to honor. No pensions. No OT pay. No payroll taxes.
Mexico: def time to impose some taxes on their stuff being imported to the US. They need us a whole lot more than we need Mexico. Too; while we're at it, return their citizens here illegally, by force if needed.
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Old 02-12-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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You people scare the hell out of me. You really do. These jobs are leaving because:

A) we tax the **** out of companies. The highest in the developed world
B) NAFTA and Obama's TPP will cause more to flow out.

It has EVERYTHING to do with Obama and the death grip of liberal policy and regulations for Christ's sake.
Obama's TPP?

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Mr. Obama broke with many members of his own party this year when he asked Congress for authority to fast-track a massive Asia-Pacific free trade deal called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
He had allies among the GOP, and their votes helped him secure Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), which will help speed the trade deal through Congress.

Speaker Ryan: Not enough votes for TPP trade deal - CBS News


I am a liberal and I do not support the TPP at all. As the quote shows, lots of democrats feel the same way. This is not a liberal policy, especially since many in the GOP support it.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:06 PM
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The men are been forced to buy maternity-care health insurance policies by Obama's ACA.

Companies can no longer afford to be forced by their governing saboteurs to buy expensive, highly-insured domestic employees that are ornately wrapped and carefully packaged with their own storybooks.

This is actually a deliberate deindustrialization scheme against America by globalists.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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You people scare the hell out of me. You really do. These jobs are leaving because:

A) we tax the **** out of companies. The highest in the developed world
B) NAFTA and Obama's TPP will cause more to flow out.

It has EVERYTHING to do with Obama and the death grip of liberal policy and regulations for Christ's sake.

Carrier is not the only company looking to move to Mexico: Why Ford Is Planning to Make More Cars in Mexico -- The Motley Fool. Ford has moved away from their founder's idea of providing workers with a living wage so they could, in turn, purchase the product.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:23 PM
 
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The men are been forced to buy maternity-care health insurance policies by Obama's ACA.

Companies can no longer afford to be forced by their governing saboteurs to buy expensive, highly-insured domestic employees that are ornately wrapped and carefully packaged with their own storybooks.

This is actually a deliberate deindustrialization scheme against America by globalists.
How many health insurance companies allowed you to nitpick what you want in you policy. Honestly, I never heard of insurance like that.
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Video Shows 1,400 Workers Learning They Just Lost Their Jobs to Mexico - Conservative Outfitters

I wonder why they think these people are going to work hard when they know their jobs are moving to Mexico?
As unfortunate as this is, this has been happening for at least 20 years. What's with the fake outrage all of a sudden?

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Old 02-12-2016, 11:03 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Lol. I love the pinto bean spin. How is this Obama's fault or doing or is the article just good for the click bait/ad revenue.

Pinto bean recovery?!

Care to post any articles on the tens of billions of infrastructure being built along the gulf coast to take advantage of our oil and gas infrastructure?
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:08 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Did you folks think the rest of the world was simply just going to just always bow down to America and never compete?

This has been going on for decades and is accelerating.
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