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Old 02-16-2016, 11:32 PM
 
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(Not black)

1. Didn't vote.
2. 'Hope and Change' was just a slogan to me. Similar to 'Believe', 'Morning in America', 'Yes We Can', 'Drink Your Ovaltine'. etc. Anyone applying some hidden meaning or nefarious message behind it are to be considered 'Incredibly Stupid or Willfully Ignorant'.
3. Income has decreased because of decisions I made. Nothing to do with O.
4. The Pollyanna belief that racism was dead in this country over the last 30-40 years was ripped asunder through no fault of Obamas. Some people can't handle a black man liv'n in the white house. Old white congressman hatched a plan to treat Obama like an uppity ni66er that don't know his place, and that has damaged race relations. For other examples of sickening racism, visit the comments under any Youtube video with a black person behaving badly. That wouldn't have anything to do with Obama.
5. Oh hell yes! He's had the most obstructionist congress EVER, and look what he has accomplished. There is truth in the adage that Obama has been playing chess the whole time the gop has been playing checkers. They hate him for that, and so do their low-information followers. Yes, history will be VERY kind to Obama...

Keep believing the random racist is indicative of an entire race or group of people, you only demonstrate your own racism using stereotypes and tossing them onto an entire race. Black people do not like it, and neither do white people. Your post is rather ignorant, highlighting the fact you needed to use an offensive word while bypassing the filter to further incite people. You are the embodiment of the left wing low info voter that believes race is the chief reason black people can not get ahead and not socioeconomic factors. The ignorance is appalling. Keep using the race card that has not changed the poor black or white persons plight in more than 50 years of trying. (Hint: you are focused on the wrong ****ing problem)
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:35 PM
 
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There are a few reasons white people get uncomfortable. I'll speak to the non-racist ones. Liberals love to preach that skin color is a significant indicator of life experiences. This claim, most of the time, is supported with demographics/statistics, that overly simplifies issues in order to paint how racist things are. Correlation does not equal causation. This error is made over and over again by the left in trying to point out racism.

It's also can not be held back that almost all discussion about race devolves into how bad slavery was, despite there not being a slave in this country (with the exception of some sex workers)for almost 150 years. There is not a person alive who got rich or got poor due to slavery. Anyone who brings up slavery as causative factor in perpetual poverty of people, is doing nothing but purporting false victims.


Liberals argue that racial disproportion is racism. The poverty level of black and white people has not significantly changed for 50 years, outside the tides of the economy.

The claim that white people are keeping black people down is still an accurate and popular statement, but it's an incredibly misleading. White people are keeping white people down too. Race is no longer a significant causative factor in poverty.

While I'm not stating that racism is dead, it's not, and we should obviously be vigilant in how it impacts our society...see Trumps statements on Muslims, but race is no longer the reason people do not have upward mobility. The symptoms of generational poverty are, along with the lack of opportunity of upward mobility for poor people of all races. Irrelevant of race, if you born into a poor family, you are more likely to be poor. If you born to a criminal, you are likely to be criminal. If you born to an addict, etc etc.


The current divide over race is used by the left to divide and polarize the electorate to win elections. They paint the conservatives as racist and placate black people who have been led to believe it's all the white person fault. They tell the black people they are in prison becasue of a racist system, not becasue they committed a crime. Obviously, white people will have some resentment over this....yet, if they speak up about this, they are met with "check your privilege".


This is not to say we should not take steps to correct the disproportional nature of of our systems, but its not by painting white people as racist or blaming racism, its to life generational family out of poverty using treatment, education and training.

Stop painting the plight of black people (including criticisms of Obama) as due to racism. Your argument that some people are racist, is like saying sky is blue, it really has no relevance.




The reality is, racism is not the predominate reason black people are suffering today. That is what liberals can not tolerate and what upsets many white people, yet this claim is constantly asserted by the left.

So what is the the reason then? Actually, racism was ignored and swept under the carpet until Obama became president. Then all the racists came out
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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There are a few reasons white people get uncomfortable. I'll speak to the non-racist ones. Liberals love to preach that skin color is a significant indicator of life experiences. This claim, most of the time, is supported with demographics/statistics, that overly simplifies issues in order to paint how racist things are. Correlation does not equal causation. This error is made over and over again by the left in trying to point out racism.

It's also can not be held back that almost all discussion about race devolves into how bad slavery was, despite there not being a slave in this country (with the exception of some sex workers)for almost 150 years. There is not a person alive who got rich or got poor due to slavery. Anyone who brings up slavery as causative factor in perpetual poverty of people, is doing nothing but purporting false victims.


Liberals argue that racial disproportion is racism. The poverty level of black and white people has not significantly changed for 50 years, outside the tides of the economy.

The claim that white people are keeping black people down is still an accurate and popular statement, but it's an incredibly misleading. White people are keeping white people down too. Race is no longer a significant causative factor in poverty or economic mobility.

While I'm not stating that racism is dead, it's not, and we should obviously be vigilant in how it impacts our society...see Trumps statements on Muslims, but race is no longer the reason people do not have upward mobility. The symptoms of generational poverty are, along with the lack of opportunity of upward mobility are attributed to all poor people of all races. Irrelevant of race, if you born into a poor family, you are more likely to be poor. If you born to a criminal, you are likely to be criminal. If you born to an addict, etc etc. This is generational poverty that has nothing to do with race.


The current divide over race is used by the left to divide and polarize the electorate to win elections. They paint the conservatives as racist and placate black people who have been led to believe it's all the white person fault. They tell the black people they are in prison becasue of a racist system, not becasue they committed a crime. Obviously, white people will have some resentment over this....yet, if they speak up about this, they are met with "check your privilege".


This is not to say we should not take steps to correct the disproportional nature of of our systems, but its not by painting white people as racist or blaming racism, its to lift generational families out of poverty using treatment, education and training, not trying to say "racism" as much you can when you see disproportion.

Stop painting the plight of black people (including criticisms of Obama) as due to racism. Your argument that some people are racist, is like saying sky is blue, it really has no relevance.




The reality is, racism is not the predominate reason black people are suffering today, yet you have liberals saying its becasue of racism. That is what liberals can not tolerate and what upsets many white people, yet this claim is constantly asserted by the left.
I disagree with you, mostly because your definition here assumes racism is about how individual people feel about other individuals.

Your argue men's highlight the impact of institutional or systemic racism. Even though there are lists of similarities within soclal classes (or castes), there are still places where class privilege doesn't make up for racial dis-privileges. Ask Obama, or Oprah or any other high powered black person.

You bring up good points about the will fill divide of social classes by politicians spinning things into race based debates. When it is really a function of income inequality. We have made is so that poor white people think they are middle class so they can claim to have nothing in common with poor black people.

One of the best chapters in the super informative book, The New Jim Crow talks about how the labor movement came to be racially divided. And is the core of your post.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:42 PM
 
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So what is the the reason then? Actually, racism was ignored and swept under the carpet until Obama became president. Then all the racists came out

You can not go on an internet forum today that discusses politics with out several left leaning poster talking about "racist conservatives". What people identify as racism today is not racism. Perpetual socioeconomic status. If you bothered to read my post, you would of figured it out with out having to ask the question.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:52 PM
 
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What people identify as racism today is not racism.
I'm dying to read how this rebranding has changed the nature of racism.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:53 PM
 
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Your argue men's highlight the impact of institutional or systemic racism.
This is such bull****. Disproportionate results is not racism. Liberals have hijacked the term to paint issues that really has nothing to do with race as having everything to do with race, leaning almost entirely on demographics wile having almost zero empirical evidence of actual racism.

Let's take prison for example. Where do most prisoners come from? Where does most crime occur? What is the predominate cause of crime?

Not one of those answers will be black skin. Yet, they all correlate disproportionately black people.

You would have to accept a premise that poverty is racist to believe in institutional racism. You would also have to believe criminality, poverty, addiction is not generational (not to be confused with genetic).
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When it is really a function of income inequality. We have made is so that poor white people think they are middle class so they can claim to have nothing in common with poor black people.
No, poor dumb white people are told its the mexicans fault, poor black dumb black people are told its white persons fault.

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One of the best chapters in the super informative book, The New Jim Crow talks about how the labor movement came to be racially divided. And is the core of your post.
The New Jim Crow equivocates socioeconomic problems with racism. It's bull****, they are socioeconomic problems, not problems with race.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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I'm dying to read how this rebranding has changed the nature of racism.

I'm sorry you do not understand generational poverty is distinctly different from racism and racism is not a significant causative factor in generational poverty. The only way you correlate race to problems facing the black community is using demographics, you can not post any empirical, non anecdotal evidence that racism is a significant factor in black peoples perpetual socioeconomic status. Nor does it explain the lack of upward mobility of poor white people.


Some people are racist. The sky is blue. So what? This has nothing to do with Obama legacy.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:56 PM
 
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You can not go on an internet forum today that discusses politics with out several left leaning poster talking about "racist conservatives". What people identify as racism today is not racism. Perpetual socioeconomic status. If you bothered to read my post, you would of figured it out with out having to ask the question.


How old are you? Racism has always existed. It has nothing to do with status
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Old 02-17-2016, 12:01 AM
 
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How old are you? Racism has always existed. It has nothing to do with status
You clearly have a problem with reading comprehension and understanding context. People automatically assume a disproportionate amount of black people in prison means they system is racist. Its the use of demographics to play to racial fears.
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Old 02-17-2016, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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This is such bull****. Disproportionate results is not racism. Liberals have hijacked the term to paint issues that really has nothing to do with race as having everything to do with race, leaning almost entirely on demographics wile having almost zero empirical evidence of actual racism.

Let's take prison for example. Where do most prisoners come from? Where does most crime occur? What is the predominate cause of crime?

Not one of those answers will be black skin. Yet, they all correlate disproportionately black people.

You would have to accept a premise that poverty is racist to believe in institutional racism. You would also have to believe criminality, poverty, addiction is not generational (not to be confused with genetic).
It looks like you don't understand institutional racism. It is rules, unevenly applied, leaving behind a differential impact. For example, federally sponsored mortgage programs, like the VA and FHA loans, weren't available for black neighborhoods until the 70s. There were lots of policies that contributed to this. As a result, black vets and black families missed that opportunity to get a house easily. This has a longer term impact than just the years the policies were in place. It actually led to the generational poverty, since home ownership is the path to wealth building in the US. There is tons of evidence out there. I don't need to rehash decades of research. And I don't feel like sharing examples from my own life.

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The New Jim Crow equivocates socioeconomic problems with racism. It's bull****, they are socioeconomic problems, not problems with race.
You did not read the book, clearly. That is not what it is about at all.
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