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Old 04-09-2016, 12:43 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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........... I don't even know where you are talking about.

One of several examples you've evidenced in this thread.
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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Funny you mention kiosks at restaurants, I personally think they are stupid and undermind the wait staff from being able to provide better service, but I have been to restaurants that use them. Each time, I still had a waiter taking my order and bringing me my food. The kiosks do sort of allow the waiter to serve more tables, but even that I would question because I feel like it tends to neglect the paying customers.

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Kiosks allowed the wise business people running your restaurant to eliminate other staff (cleanup staff). That staff was paid minimum wage-your server gets $2.17 from the restaurant (tipped staff have lower MW). So of the $9 an hour serving you, they cut $7, and you failed to notice.I love kiosks, tablet ordering, self service checkouts, use them all the time btw.


I applaud the restaurants for cutting cleaning staff avoiding need to hike prices more. Adding to viability of the restaurant.
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Old 04-09-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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About 80% of minimum wage workers are 20+.
Please link your source.
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Old 04-09-2016, 01:12 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Please link your source.


http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/...rkers-2014.pdf


The above contradicts his statement.


Low-wage Workers Are Older Than You Think: 88 Percent of Workers Who Would Benefit From a Higher Minimum Wage Are Older Than 20, One Third Are Over 40 | Economic Policy Institute


This is likely where he got the 80%.


It illustrates how statistics can be made to say whatever one wishes them to say.


Or in the immortal words of Mark Twain, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics".


Mark Twain quotations - Statistics
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Old 04-09-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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A 16 year old bagger wanting date money is worth neither more nor less than his dad doing the same job, supporting 3 kids and a wife.

So the age of the MW workforce is not relevent. It is what it is worth to the buyer (a/k/a employer) that counts. Minimum skills = minimum wage

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Old 04-09-2016, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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and minimum pay = Walmart, which is now taking a dump.

Minimum skilled workers shouldn't be paid great money, but keeping valued, low skilled, workers on the job should be the priority. In Walmarts case when thousands of their valued employees made what they thought was too much money, they were laid off, hence what you have now which is an embarrassing failure that has happened to companies like Sears in the past. Walmart became so greedy that there weren't enough employees to stock shelves in thousands of their stores, again a completely idiotic move when profits are in the hundreds of millions. Large companies like HD, and Lowe's use this business practice as well, not so much HD anymore since they learned their lesson back in the early mid 2000's.

I have zero problems with a cashier making $9-9.50 an hour to start, if that employee is drug free, shows up to work everyday, and makes everyone's job easier, then give them a decent raise of a $1 an hour after a year and so on topping them out at 13.50-14.00 an hour, while explaining to the employees that if they want more money, they have to take on more responsibility, and so on.
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Old 04-09-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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I have zero problems with a cashier making $9-9.50 an hour to start, if that employee is drug free, shows up to work everyday, and makes everyone's job easier, then give them a decent raise of a $1 an hour after a year and so on topping them out at 13.50-14.00 an hour, while explaining to the employees that if they want more money, they have to take on more responsibility, and so on.

10% raise is outlandish for a cashier. Give me the self checkout option.

But WM promotes 90,000 annually. That will get her 10% and she would earn it.
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Old 04-09-2016, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/...rkers-2014.pdf


The above contradicts his statement.


Low-wage Workers Are Older Than You Think: 88 Percent of Workers Who Would Benefit From a Higher Minimum Wage Are Older Than 20, One Third Are Over 40 | Economic Policy Institute


This is likely where he got the 80%.


It illustrates how statistics can be made to say whatever one wishes them to say.


Or in the immortal words of Mark Twain, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics".


Mark Twain quotations - Statistics
Oh, yes, of course, the Economic Propaganda Institute. They're a union think-tank; very left oriented, so take what they say with a grain of salt.
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Old 04-09-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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A 16 year old bagger wanting date money is worth neither more nor less than his dad doing the same job, supporting 3 kids and a wife.

So the age of the MW workforce is not relevent. It is what it is worth to the buyer (a/k/a employer) that counts. Minimum skills = minimum wage

All I ask is a free market which allows me to pay what housing is worth to the renter. Minimum wage = minimum housing.

(The reason so many people are agitating for a $15 minimum wage is that the existing minimum wage does not enable them to afford housing.)
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Old 04-09-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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Teenagers aren't even worth the current minimum wage.
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