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Old 05-14-2008, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Sort of like how Bushes speeches after 9/11 kept mentioning Iraq. So if those words are in the same speech, then they must be true or associated in some way.
The Democrats also mentioned Iraq (a lot).
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:17 PM
 
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Let he who is without sin...

And, I might add, ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Greed is sin. Envy is sin. Gluttony and sloth are sins. Pride. Wrath. Lust. Yet we, in this nation, have lifted those sins to the level of artform. Greed, especially, is not only tolerated, but encouraged!

And yet who is demonized? Gay people. In the case of gay marriage, gay people who just want to live a life of commitment and monogamy in an era in which both are hard to find in any community.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:28 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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I'll say it again for those not understanding....do unto others. simple, to the point, end of discussion. This is ridiculous.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:53 PM
 
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Because in many cases, a higher minimum wage forces some employers to lay off employees or to not hire more.
Having a job should keep a person out of poverty, not in it.

And actually, most employers could easily afford to pay their employees a higher minimum wage if they weren't so focused on overflowing their own pockets. If these empoyers can't afford to pay their empoyees enough to keep them out of poverty, then they "morally" should not have started a business in the first place.
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Old 05-14-2008, 08:22 PM
 
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Nothing.

Ask all the Religious people in the world. They have a problem with it and won't let it go.

Whatever. Seriously.
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Old 05-14-2008, 08:29 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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This is PRECISELY the "definition" of marriage that I think some people on here are scared is going to become mainstream.
What do you mean by become mainstream, it's how it started.
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Old 05-14-2008, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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If your such a fan of a moral society, why don't you religious right people start pushing for liveable minimum wages. Thats a moral society issue.
Or get straights to live right under the Bible since so many people think morality comes from the Bible or religion. In the more religious right oriented states, such as Oklahoma, the unwed teen birth rate is higher than in most states, and so is the divorce rate. The Bible councils against doing such things. Yet in many of the liberal states, such as Massachusetts and Minnesota you'll find those things occurring at a lower rate. I'm quite amused to have learned how the liberal states find it so much easier to live under the Bible. But then the hypocrisy of it all in the religious right states just stinks to high heaven.
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Old 05-14-2008, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Because in many cases, a higher minimum wage forces some employers to lay off employees or to not hire more.
Big deal. Paying minimum wage just makes people need welfare, like food stamps and if it's not gay marriage, then conservatives will complain about welfare.
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Big deal. Paying minimum wage just makes people need welfare, like food stamps and if it's not gay marriage, then conservatives will complain about welfare.
Big deal? It is a big deal to those who get laid off because their employer is forced to pay more per hour.
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Old 05-16-2008, 05:16 PM
 
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Hey, man, I don't pull punches. If y'all are allowed to post whatever floats into your mind here, than I am too. The great part about it is, this is America, you can say whatever you want. It's when you take action and try to limit the rights of others that it becomes problematic.
Been to busy to reply, and no point now, as too much to catch up on and don't have the time to try or bother (but that may change, who knows! LOL).

Anyway, you miss MY point. In America we can say what we want, I agree with that completely. BUT...it seems the left (which generally includes a support the homosexual agenda) are the ones most likely to try and shut down others right to disagree with it (or any other cause celebre'). I have said repeatedly, I am not one of those conservatives who wants to pass laws restricting what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I even agree that sexual orientation is, in many instances, something that can't be changed. For a conservative of the old school, that is pretty "liberal" thinking! LOL. And it follows from that that I sure don't think, in moral/religious terms, that it is a "sin" to be what one cannot help being.

BUT...where we apparently part company is over the notion of "rights." I do not accept a homosexual relationship as "normal" and definitely not that "marriage" between the same is a "right", much less the equivalent of that between a man and woman.
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