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Someone who is in the process of transformation can call themselves transgender. A doctor's note about going through the procedure should be sufficient.
That isn't even required. This is ALL just based on one's "say so."
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No one has ever stood guard at any women's facility, not sure why you think we need to have genitalia inspectors outside of women's facilities when there have never been genitalia inspectors before and transgender people had no problem accessing the facilities that they identified with.
A male sexual predator has always been able to access women's facilities because there has never been guards outside of them.
NOT by "claiming" to be transgender so that he MUST be allowed to be there.
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We aren't risking 51% of the population because nothing has changed other than a state or two trying to pass a feel good law that is unenforceable.
Nothing has changed? Persons with male genitalia were previously NOT allowed in girls'/women's multiple occupancy restrooms/changing/locker/shower rooms except in extremely limited circumstances: very young children, the truly incapacitated who cannot use the restroom without help. So, yes, EVERYTHING has changed. And, YES, we ARE now risking 51% of the population to appease 0.3%.
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Before this, transgender people used the facilities they identified with and no one had a problem with that because people didn't know that was happening because most normal people don't go around exposing themselves to others.
In schools? Park districts, state parks, etc.? NO. Persons with male genitalia were NOT allowed in girls'/women's facilities except for the two exceptions listed above.
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Well you figure out how to end all sexual assaults in the world, and then we will talk about how many is enough, until then stop blaming innocent people for fictional crimes that you have made up. Transgender people don't go around sexually assaulting everyone and exposing their genitalia to others, that is a lie.
Again, 98-99% of all sexual predators are MALE.
The "I self-identify as a transgender" thing IS putting 51% of the population at greater risk.
You're simply NOT recognizing the unintended consequences.
That isn't even required. This is ALL just based on one's "say so."
NOT by "claiming" to be transgender so that he MUST be allowed to be there.
Nothing has changed? Persons with male genitalia were previously NOT allowed in girls'/women's multiple occupancy restrooms/changing/locker/shower rooms except in extremely limited circumstances: very young children, the truly incapacitated who cannot use the restroom without help. So, yes, EVERYTHING has changed. And, YES, we ARE now risking 51% of the population to appease 0.3%.
In schools? Park districts, state parks, etc.? NO. Persons with male genitalia were NOT allowed in girls'/women's facilities except for the two exceptions listed above.
Again, 98-99% of all sexual predators are MALE.
The "I self-identify as a transgender" thing IS putting 51% of the population at greater risk.
You're simply NOT recognizing the unintended consequences.
A student still needs to make a formal request with a school before they can allow the student to use the facilities that they identify with. At that point it is up to the school boards what that requirement may be. Maybe all the student has to do is say "cool, I am a different gender now" or maybe the student is required to provide some proof that they are in fact changing genders. Regardless, this isn't something a student is going to go out of their way to do just to creep on some girls and maybe sexually assault girls.
You dodged my statement, I pointed out the fact that there have never been genitalia inspectors guarding facilities, so it doesn't matter what a transgender person claims or what anyone claims for that matter because there never have and there never will be genitalia inspectors.
A person with male genitalia and identified as a transgender woman has always been able to use the woman's facility because they don't go around exposing their genitalia, nor are people going around inspecting genitalia. You have no idea if the woman in the stall next to you has a penis or not, nor are you or anyone else going to check. Therefore transgender people have always used the facilities they identify with, you just weren't aware of it. So no, women are not at risk just because you recently learned about something that has been going on for as long as there have been transgender people.
Until you start a genitalia guard squad that inspects the genitalia of all people entering, there is no way for you to know if a person has a penis or a vagina, so it doesn't matter what you think was and was not allowed because there is no way to inspect everyone's genitalia. Also, you continue to ignore the fact that women who have been sexually assaulted have been done so by men who identify as men and who ignore things such as gender signs when they want to sexually assault a woman.
How many sexual predators are transgender? We have already addressed the fact that almost all sexual predators are male, we have also addressed the fact that it is also illegal for a woman or transgender woman to sexually assualt anyone as well....though that is another fact you continue to choose to ignore.
There is no unintended consequences other than the fictional ones you have created to try to prove a point that you have that is based on a lie. If a transgender woman ever sexually assaults you in the locker room, please report it because it is just as illegal for them to do that as it would be for a man or woman.
A student still needs to make a formal request with a school before they can allow the student to use the facilities that they identify with.
A student needs to give a formal excuse for an absence. How easily is that faked/forged.
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A person with male genitalia and identified as a transgender woman has always been able to use the woman's facility because they don't go around exposing their genitalia, nor are people going around inspecting genitalia.
Then how did the girls in the IL School District see a male student claiming to be transgender exposing his genitalia?
If what you claim were 100% true all of the time, this wouldn't be an issue. But it's NOT true.
The other problem is that access to girls'/women's facilities is now based ONLY on males' "claim" to be transgender, with no proof of that status required whatsoever. Combine that with 98-99% of ALL sexual predators being MALE, and there's a REAL problem with additional risk for 51% of the population.
A student needs to give a formal excuse for an absence.
Then how did the girls in the IL School District see a male student claiming to be transgender exposing his genitalia?
If what you claim were 100% true all of the time, this wouldn't be an issue. But it's NOT true.
The other problem is that access to girls'/women's facilities is now based ONLY on males' "claim" to be transgender, with no proof of that status required whatsoever. Combine that with 98-99% of ALL sexual predators being MALE, and there's a REAL problem with additional risk for 51% of the population.
Then if a student chooses not to give a formal request for their gender change, then they are still the gender they were originally and can and should be denied access to anything that is of opposite gender until that formal request is done.
As for the IL School District, there was no genitalia that was exposed, the transgender student didn't expose their genitalia to anyone, that is nothing more than a lie you keep using to prove your case. Unless you have actual proof that genitalia was being exposed, which we all know you don't, I suggest you stop using that lie.
Women are not at any more risk than they were before, this idea that transgender women are going to start sexually assaulting women is nothing more than a lie you have cooked up.
Then if a student chooses not to give a formal request for their gender change, then they are still the gender they were originally and can and should be denied access to anything that is of opposite gender until that formal request is done.
You're ignoring the fact that this is all based SOLELY on "say so." Any male can "say" they're transgender to their school and have full access to partially unclothed and/or naked MINOR girls.
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As for the IL School District, there was no genitalia that was exposed
Based on what? Do you have the school's records?
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Women are not at any more risk than they were before
Indeed, they are. 98-99% of ALL sexual predators are MALE, and idiots have now given them a reason to have EASIER access to girls/women victims.
Why do you NOT understand the negative unintended consequences? Are you a misogynist?
You're ignoring the fact that this is all based SOLELY on "say so." Any male can "say" they're transgender to their school and have full access to partially unclothed and/or naked MINOR girls.
Based on what? Do you have the school's records?
Indeed, they are. 98-99% of ALL sexual predators are MALE, and idiots have now given them a reason to have EASIER access to girls/women victims.
Why do you NOT understand the negative unintended consequences? Are you a misogynist?
Again, that is based on each school board and what they wish to require from a student, chances are a student isn't going to just claim they are now a girl just to have full access to unclothed girls. This is nothing more than fiction that you have cooked up to justify your actions, nothing more.
Based on the fact that there is no proof that a transgender student exposed themselves to other students, that is just a lie you keep claiming in hopes that it will somehow become true if you repeat the lie enough. You have ZERO proof that a transgender student in Illinois exposed herself to other students.
This does not give anyone easier access to women's facilities, that is a lie you continue to keep repeating in the hopes that it will somehow become true, it is false, and you are just repeating a lie based on fiction.
There are no negative unintended consequences beyond the fictional ones you have cooked up, and no I am not misogynist but you seem to be have some sort of transphobia that drives you.
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Why are you SO hell-bent on endangering MORE girls/women?
Why are you so hell bent on lying? There has been no change in the number of dangers a woman faces when it comes to sexual assault because transgender women aren't the ones raping women. So please stop lying.
Again, that is based on each school board and what they wish to require from a student, chances are a student isn't going to just claim they are now a girl just to have full access to unclothed girls.
No, it is not. Read the Obama Admin Edict. NO mention of school board whatsoever. ALL that is required is that a student "notify" their school's administration that they "identify" as transgender.
Furthermore, the letter EXPLICITLY states:
"Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being consistent with their gender identity.
...A school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so."
This does not give anyone easier access to women's facilities
Indeed, it does. Read the letter. Access to partially clothed and naked MINOR girl students is based ONLY on an anatomical male student's "say so." 98-99% of sexual predators are MALE, and include teenagers.
Why do you NOT understand the negative unintended consequences? Are you a misogynist?
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No, it is not. Read the Obama Admin Edict. NO mention of school board whatsoever. ALL that is required is that a student "notify" their school's administration that they "identify" as transgender.
Furthermore, the letter EXPLICITLY states:
"Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being consistent with their gender identity.
...A school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so."
It is COMPLETELY based on one's "say so" ONLY.
Indeed, it does. Read the letter. Access to partially clothed and naked MINOR girl students is based ONLY on an anatomical male student's "say so." 98-99% of sexual predators are MALE, and include teenagers.
Why do you NOT understand the negative unintended consequences? Are you a misogynist?
A student is still required to actually say they are transgender to the school, that can't just be so without notifying the school. That still changes nothing, a boy looking to sexually assault a female student isn't going to go to the school to inform them that they are transgender, nor are they going to be transgender just to sexually assault a girl. You act like there has been no such thing as sexual assault until now and that somehow every man is gonna go out and pretend to be a girl to go and sexually assault girls which is just a lie.
So no, you will not see any increase in boys pretending to be girls to sexually assault girls, that is a lie you have cooked up.
This does not give anyone easier access to women's facilities, that is a lie you continue to keep repeating in the hopes that it will somehow become true, it is false, and you are just repeating a lie based on fiction.
There are no negative unintended consequences beyond the fictional ones you have cooked up, and no I am not misogynist but you seem to be have some sort of transphobia that drives you. (I can cut and paste too.)
A student is still required to actually say they are transgender to the school
I could "say" I'm disabled, age 65+, etc., to the Fed Gov. Would my "say so" make it true? Would I be eligible for the government benefits the disabled, those age 65+, etc. (protected classes, by the way) get JUST based on my "say so?"
NOPE.
Access to partially clothed and naked MINOR girl students is based ONLY on an anatomical male student's "say so."
98-99% of sexual predators are MALE, and include teenagers.
Why do you NOT understand the negative unintended consequences? Are you a misogynist?
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