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I was not justifying the failures. And not everybody has the greatness you had in your ancestors. The issue is what to do about those that are failing. Simply saying: How come you are not as successful as I am will not help them.
Obviously, I'm not simply asking "how come you are not as successful", as I've been providing some insight into why some of us aren't successful. And yes, I am fortunate to have had the family structure that I had. But, as I previously discussed, it was because somewhere along the lines someone made the choice to maintain that strong family structure.
That's mostly what this comes down to: choices. Even if I agree that we are oppressed, that we are America's victim, we still have choices to make which could either benefit or hinder our progress. My ancestors made the best choices they could despite slavery and Jim Crow. My wife, who was raised in a third world country in conditions that would make our stomachs turn, came to America with virtually nothing and has done extremely well for herself. I haven't heard her complain about what she lived through as it relates to her capabilities; if anything, those aspects of her life fueled her drive to be where she currently is.
Sadly, many of us still make terrible choices which inevitably affect the future generations, and so it goes. But we legitimize our failures, our bad decision making, and our lack of ownership of our problems by continuing to push the "victim" narrative. This does nothing to help us. It's one thing to attack racism and discrimination where it is warranted, but these blanket, generalized, statements - such as the title of this post - perpetuate the victim narrative that cripples us and pushes us further away from having any incentive to own our problems and develop realistic solutions.
What's "ridiculous" about posting the FACTS that African Blacks are responsible for capturing and selling Blacks into the Atlantic slave trade slavery, and that the first legal slave owner in the American colonies was a Black man?
Why base your perception on "feelings" instead of ACTUAL FACTS?
That's clearly indicative of intellectual weakness.
Are you using the "they do it too" excuse to justify unsavory actions?
No. I'm saying that if they (Black Africans capturing and selling other African Blacks into slavery) hadn't done so to begin with, none of the New World slavery would have resulted.
What's "ridiculous" about posting the FACTS that African Blacks are responsible for capturing and selling Blacks into the Atlantic slave trade slavery, and that the first legal slave owner in the American colonies was a Black man?
Why base your perception on "feelings" instead of ACTUAL FACTS?
That's clearly indicative of intellectual weakness.
It has no bearing on the results of slavery in this country.
As a country we condoned and made slavery legal.
Doesn't matter whether we went to Africa and captured slaves ourselves or bought them from someone else.
It's interesting as a fact of history.
Has nothing to do with the fact that as a country we are responsible for the ill effects of slavery in the US some of which continue today.
It has no bearing on the results of slavery in this country.
Actually, it does, to a SIGNIFICANT degree.
Where would the Black slaves have come from if African Blacks hadn't first captured other Black Africans into slavery and sold them into the Atlantic slave trade?
Where would the ownership of Black slaves in the American colonies be if Anthony Johnson (a Black man) hadn't first set the original legal precedent for the ownership of Black slaves in the American colonies?
Obviously, I'm not simply asking "how come you are not as successful", as I've been providing some insight into why some of us aren't successful. And yes, I am fortunate to have had the family structure that I had. But, as I previously discussed, it was because somewhere along the lines someone made the choice to maintain that strong family structure.
That's mostly what this comes down to: choices. Even if I agree that we are oppressed, that we are America's victim, we still have choices to make which could either benefit or hinder our progress. My ancestors made the best choices they could despite slavery and Jim Crow. My wife, who was raised in a third world country in conditions that would make our stomachs turn, came to America with virtually nothing and has done extremely well for herself. I haven't heard her complain about what she lived through as it relates to her capabilities; if anything, those aspects of her life fueled her drive to be where she currently is.
Sadly, many of us still make terrible choices which inevitably affect the future generations, and so it goes. But we legitimize our failures, our bad decision making, and our lack of ownership of our problems by continuing to push the "victim" narrative. This does nothing to help us. It's one thing to attack racism and discrimination where it is warranted, but these blanket, generalized, statements - such as the title of this post - perpetuate the victim narrative that cripples us and pushes us further away from having any incentive to own our problems and develop realistic solutions.
This is the thing. I do not underestimate the value of personal responsibility. If I commit a criminal act, I do not blame White people for my decision. I chose to it, therefore, I am culpable for it. It is madness to say that making bad choices does not breed bad consequences.
However, this is something else I have to say. Making bad decisions and suffering for them does not negate the fact that Blacks are disliked more than other groups. My thoughts are this. How are we suppose to deal with being more disliked than anyone else, being treated harsher than anyone else? I can take personal responsibility for my own behavior, so I'm not worried about that. My worry is about how I will be treated vis a vis the rest of the American population. Granted, things are much better than the 1960s. More Blacks have college degrees, professional jobs, are in the middle class, than ever before. Those Blacks who made it don't really find themselves wanting to live among the underclass. Yes, there are plenty of success stories. That said, it doesn't negate that we are still looked down on more than anyone else. Call it "perpetual victimhood" all you want? Can you refute that Black Americans get more hate than anyone else?
LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL I got to stop communicating with some of these City Data Types.......
LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL You haven't communicated. Babbling incoherrently and ignoring the issue, isn't communicating.
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Originally Posted by Howest2008
Your Honor I Rest My Case.......AND DROP THE MICROPHONE........................................ ......LOL.
The only thing you dropped is your intelligence level on this topic. Keep posting nonsense while you ignore the issue. GIVE YOUR MOMMY HER MICROPHONE BACK.............................................L OL.
Blacks have little power and remain victims of their history in the US.
What can be done?
Electing black leaders does not do the job. What are the alternatives. More of the same?
A black man can get a job, start a business, join the military, or go to college just the same as any white men. Just because so many blacks turn to lives of crime and thuggin does not make them oppressed. It's called life choices, make good life choices.
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instead of ACTUAL FACTS? 
