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Old 08-22-2016, 10:09 AM
 
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Why did that "white man get a good lawyer" while the "black man" might not have? Hmmm, why is that?
Is that in and of itself the problem of the "white man" or an excuse to try and point out some kind of division?
Let's dig into your statement a bit deeper. So, the "white man" got a good attorney (attorneys are guaranteed for any defendant btw) so if the "black man" didn't why didn't he? Is it because he's black?
They are guaranteed but they all are not the same. If you are willing to spend thousands of dollars a lawyer will get you out of a DUI charge. A public defender isn't going to take that effort.

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If that's your contention then you are saying that there are sub-par attorneys for blacks while "good attorneys" are reserved for "white men" right?
You know exactly what I'm saying.

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Or, could you be saying that the "white man" has the money to pay a good attorney and a "black man" doesn't?
Okay, if that's the case then WHY is that? There's no color test to hire an attorney that I know of...
Why? Because one has money and the other doesn't. You said so yourself so why ask?

 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:17 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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They are guaranteed but they all are not the same. If you are willing to spend thousands of dollars a lawyer will get you out of a DUI charge. A public defender isn't going to take that effort.



You know exactly what I'm saying.



Why? Because one has money and the other doesn't. You said so yourself so why ask?
Plenty (most I'd say) of white people have to depend on public defenders. Wealthy people of BOTH colors do not. Just like the healthcare system.

Sorry, you can't blame RACISM for this no matter how badly you want to

So what's really your point?
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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Plenty (most I'd say) of white people have to depend on public defenders. Wealthy people of BOTH colors do not. Just like the healthcare system.

Sorry, you can't blame RACISM for this no matter how badly you want to

So what's really your point?
I didn't blame racism. Must be your guilty conscience.
 
Old 08-22-2016, 05:28 PM
 
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They are guaranteed but they all are not the same. If you are willing to spend thousands of dollars a lawyer will get you out of a DUI charge. A public defender isn't going to take that effort.

So spend your money and get a good lawyer.
 
Old 08-22-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Asia
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That's because that is incomplete. If a black man beats someone and gets charged with assault and a white man beats someone gets a good lawyer and doesn't is the black crime rate higher?
That would be unfair.

But, I don't think that accounts for the enormous discrepancy in the rates of black and white crime.

Whites committing violent crimes do not generally tend to have lots of cash to pay good lawyers.

So, uh, nah.

Try again.
 
Old 08-22-2016, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Most American white folks have never even been to Milwaukee (no offense intended to the fine folks in Milwaukee)!

Agree that only those who would seek to 'divide & then conquer' would be drumming up dystopian fantasies of upcoming race wars.

Although to deny there are no civil rights issues based on race is akin to sticking one's head in the ... sand. If one is applying a critical & creative approach in an attempt to solve, resolve or troubleshoot issues related to the problem of civil rights abuses, it would make much sense to apply a general problem solving model like the one below. Dr. King said, 'injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Looking at what is happening throughout the Country is an effort to define the underlying circumstances or to deepen the understanding of the problem.



http://www.insightassessment.com/con.../what&why.pdf?

Denying there's a problem undercuts attempts at problem solving. When there's 'no problem' there's no solution.
The only group that is "attempting" to deny there are still civil rights issues is the white conservative American. It's disgusting they are trying to do this with a straight face...
 
Old 08-23-2016, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The only group that is "attempting" to deny there are still civil rights issues is the white conservative American. It's disgusting they are trying to do this with a straight face...
You have no proof of this. Not that the truth matters to Obamabots. Good to see your filthy racism out in the open again. Always best to know who or what someone is dealing with. It's disgusting to see a post like this.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Fine..great approach for ANY problem. The PROBLEM is 13 percent of the population causes 56 percent of the crime in this country. And if you dont recognize that as a problem then oh well.. you can't fix it.

Edit: And whats really sad is about 3 percent of that 13 percent is causing 90 percent of the crime. Whats weird is the black community should be GLAD a thug with a record is off the streets. But it never seems to work that way.
When you see the rioters exactly what percentage of the black population in that community is that? Because a small segment of the population riots means the black community doesn't care?
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:40 AM
 
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That would be unfair.

But, I don't think that accounts for the enormous discrepancy in the rates of black and white crime.

Whites committing violent crimes do not generally tend to have lots of cash to pay good lawyers.

So, uh, nah.

Try again.
No. There are plenty of studies that show what I say is true.
 
Old 08-23-2016, 03:41 AM
 
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The only group that is "attempting" to deny there are still civil rights issues is the white conservative American. It's disgusting they are trying to do this with a straight face...
Not true. Things have NOT improved the last eight years either. It most certainly is not just because of the "white conservative American".
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