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Old 11-05-2016, 06:24 AM
 
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You are apparently claiming some knowldge of the situation and you don't know the southern slave was a field worker? That is an intelligent draft animal. And I suppose you can argue they did not pull loads. But their role was as mundane and as rewarding.

And they were neccessary to make the farming economy of the time and place work.
" and you don't know the southern slave was a field worker?"

And you DON'T know that EVERY slave was NOT a field worker.
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Old 11-05-2016, 06:48 AM
 
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" and you don't know the southern slave was a field worker?"

And you DON'T know that EVERY slave was NOT a field worker.
Not even every southern slave was a field worker. They were carpenters, coopers, blacksmiths, and household workers, as well. How do people think so many were able to start their own businesses both before they were freed, and after?
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Old 11-05-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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Good for her! Another big error in textbooks is the SJW PC 'blame the U.S.' game for African slavery, when the vast majority of the African slaves in the Atlantic slave trade went to Latin American and South American countries:
How unusual. How does referring to Slaves as 'workers' as in ...
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the Atlantic slave trade brought "millions of workers from Africa to the southern United States to work on agricultural plantations."
have anything to do with legitimizing owning people as property? Workers are not property.

Are you claiming the majority of African Slaves, no matter their destination, should now (in your politically correct version) be referred to as workers?
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Old 11-05-2016, 09:27 AM
 
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How unusual. How does referring to Slaves as 'workers' as in ...

have anything to do with legitimizing owning people as property? Workers are not property.
Did they not work? Why, yes, they did. Perhaps you'd prefer the term "slave workers." They still were workers regardless of their status as slaves or free.

And again, the U.S. was a very tiny piece of the Atlantic slave trade puzzle. The vast majority of African slaves went to Latin American and South American countries. I posted the National Endowment for the Humanities Atlantic slave trade routes and volumes map.

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Old 11-05-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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Agree here also. Although one might be left wondering which concept is more horrible to Dr. Pesto? Slavery, the idiotic notion of owning people as property? Or, that some of Dr. Pesto's students are not as familiar with World History as they are with the History of their own Country?

Personally, the idiotic notion of owning people as property is more horrible no matter whose mind contains the notion, especially when the notion spreads like a contagion to a whole group of people who then 'normalize' it.

As for students being more familiar with their own Country's History? I tend to think this is the case elsewhere in the World & not just in Dr. Pesto's classroom.

Again personally, the American version of Slavery practiced here is more horrible because it was premeditated. The United States of America was formed as a Constitutional Republic & Slavery, although an extremely contentious issue at the time of the Constitutional Convention, was, nevertheless, written into the document that formed the Nation. It's worse because it was calculated, intentional, deliberate, & planned in advance. & this is not to say that all people at the time approved, it was a compromise to some, some thought it would eventually be ended, others fully approved & advocated, & so on. In the end, no one knew for certain what impact the compromises made would have on the longevity of the Union of American States.

Slavery remained an extremely contentious issue all the way up to the American Civil War when, again, the Confederate States sought to form a Country in which a universal right to own people as property was one of the most entrenched laws of the land & then clarified the vague wordings of the US Constitution to identify slavery based on race.

Students in other Countries most likely are not as familiar with the American Civil War as students here in US. The former Confederate States sometimes teach a different version of American History than those States which did not seek secession or those not yet in existence. Because both the United States of America, & the failed Confederate States of America are & were Constitutional forms, it would make sense to teach the Constitutions of each to ascertain how the CSA intended to be different from the USA.

To discuss each Country in the Caribbean, involves, as you've detailed, researching the History of each individual Country. Personally, I cannot claim to be proficient in any of the Histories, but have read the most about Haiti. Living in NY, I know & am friendly with folks from all over, including the Caribbean Countries. It would be beneficial for American students to learn much more about the History of other Countries although it would also be a very challenging task, especially in the younger grades. Suffice to say, there were reasons (back pre American Civil War) to suppress the successful Slave Rebellions & Revolutions in other Countries.
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One might, if one were a moron. More likely one might be left wondering how to get a some kind of shot in at Dr. Pesto for being a traitor to the academic left and, lacking anything of substance, insinuate that he is pro-slavery.
How does this response insinuate Dr. Pesto is pro-slavery?
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Old 11-05-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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Did they not work? Why, yes, they did. Perhaps you'd prefer the term "slave workers." They still were workers regardless of their status as slaves or free.

And again, the U.S. was a very tiny piece of the Atlantic slave trade puzzle. The vast majority of African slaves went to Latin American and Sooth American countries. I posted the National Endowment for the Humanities Atlantic slave trade routes and volumes map.
Personally, I prefer an honest appraisal of the historical record, including a review of the documentary evidence, the US Constitution for a very obvious example.

What impact did the Latin & South American Slave trade have on the formation of the United States?
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Old 11-05-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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Personally, I prefer an honest appraisal of the historical record, including a review of the documentary evidence, the US Constitution for a very obvious example.

What impact did the Latin & South American Slave trade have on the formation of the United States?
Yes, let's be honest... What impact did the very tiny amount of African slavery in the U.S. have on the Atlantic slave trade?

Remember the thread title? Most college students think the U.S. invented slavery. Not only is that NOT true but compared to the other countries involved in the Atlantic slave trade, there was only a very tiny amount of slavery in the U.S.
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Old 11-05-2016, 03:47 PM
 
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Did they not work? Why, yes, they did. Perhaps you'd prefer the term "slave workers." They still were workers regardless of their status as slaves or free.

And again, the U.S. was a very tiny piece of the Atlantic slave trade puzzle. The vast majority of African slaves went to Latin American and South American countries. I posted the National Endowment for the Humanities Atlantic slave trade routes and volumes map.
All very misleading. There were of course slaves with virtually every trade skill and some that managed slave operation. But the vast majority were field workers and those field workers were critical to the agricultural economy of the period.

While only 6% of the slaves into the new world went to the USA the slaves in the USA were 60% of the new world population by 1860. And that is the thing that makes the US somewhat unique. Basically the users farmed the slaves and used reproduction to increase their numbers.

So no the US did not invent slavery but it did develop its own version...different from that of the rest of the new world and likely different from that elsewhere in the world.

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Old 11-05-2016, 03:55 PM
 
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All very misleading. There were of course slaves with virtually every trade skill and some that managed slave operation. But the vast majority were field workers and those field workers were critical to the agricultural economy of the period.

While only 6% of the slaves into the new world went to the USA the slaves in the USA were 60% of the new world population by 1860. And that is the thing that makes the US somewhat unique. Basically the use farmed the slaves and used reproduction to increase their numbers.

So no the US did not invent slavery but it did develop its own version...different from that of the rest of the new world and likely different from that elsewhere in the world.
Haiti's slave population so outnumbered the French they were able to revolt and gain their independence. Slaves outnumbered everyone else 10 to 1.

It was nothing unique to the US; it was an Atlantic Slave Trade thing. And yes not only were there more slaves in the Caribbean and South America but those areas were more brutal.
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Old 11-05-2016, 04:16 PM
 
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Haiti's slave population so outnumbered the French they were able to revolt and gain their independence. Slaves outnumbered everyone else 10 to 1.

It was nothing unique to the US; it was an Atlantic Slave Trade thing. And yes not only were there more slaves in the Caribbean and South America but those areas were more brutal.
The former slaves also genocide the whites in the revolt in Haiti. Are they better off without the white people? Genocide was common in the pre-Columbian Americas and in Amerindian warfare but I bet liberals would have you believe their European scapegoats created that too .
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