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Old 11-10-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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What makes you think lefties think the trades are beneath them? We have the left to thank for the 40 hour work week, workmans comp and social security.......
That was the old lefties not the 2016 era lefties.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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Now that Trump won, and Peso fell from 19.00 to 21.6 pesos by dollar, I see it 14% harder for MAnufacturers wanting to return to USA.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Access to the market I suppose is some leverage. Good luck getting the US to help out with intellectual property laws or if China decides to start selling its own Coke TM.

Also getting the laws and regulations in line with trade partners will also help. I also don't think people understand that the US is cut off from these same markets.


China has trade barriers.

Understanding China's Trade Barriers

China rips off the US all the time by our standards. They ignore patent agreements and we are just supposed to carry on as if nothing happens ?
That really doesn't answer the question of how to stop a company like Carrier from relocating to Mexico.

It also cuts entirely against conservative economic philosophy. Free trade is supposed to be a good thing. You're supposed to let capital flow to its most productive use. It doesn't make any business sense for Carrier to pay workers $20 per hour when they can pay workers $3 per hour in Mexico. That's millions of dollars in savings that can be re-invested.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:07 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Impose very expensive tariffs/taxing to any jerk, greedy CEO/executive even THINKING about outsourcing their operations? Just like Trump has said he will do. And rip up these NAFTA deals
That would be pretty draconian. It would also fly in the face of capitalism itself. Capitalism thrives best when corporations can exploit their underpaid workforce and max out their productivity so that they can pocket the profits. They squeeze the productivity out of their workers as they age and then spit them out when they become financial liabilities. This has always been the case.

If you slap a "Don't you dare leave this country" tax on the ceo's and companies that wish to do business elsewhere they'll just eat the tax and move the business anyway. And American workers will end up being the big losers, again.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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By the way, everytime you kick Mexico, peso becomes cheaper and cheaper, and you make mexicans more and more competitive. The only one way to stop this, is Full integration, it means, the opposite direction Trump used to get Wasp Voters.


Right at the very moment when Free Crossing and free working between Mexico and US work force arrives, in that very moment, Mexicans will become as expensive to hire as US citizens and the manufacturers will find no advantage in moving their plants to Mexico.


Otherwise, Working force in USA will become more and more incompetitive compared to Mexican Workforce. and even worse if you close your borders to mexican importations, American companies will lose competitiveness to Chinese companies which are geting more and more Share of the Global Market of Manufactures.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:09 PM
 
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President-elect Trump has said he will bring back our manufacturing jobs from China and Mexico. When does that happen and how many is he going to bring back?
soo.... sillyposter did you hold Obama to the same standard? remember when he said if we passed the "shovel ready" trillion dollar stimulus bill, he said it would fix everything....


and it didn't...




did you hold him to this standard?


Or are you just being a liberalswimminginthehypocritpool?
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Here's how much Carrier could save by moving to Mexico.

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But just how much could the company save? We did a little number crunching with information from the president of United Steelworkers 1999.

He says Indianapolis employees make about $34 per hour with salary and benefits, while workers in Mexico will make an average of $6 per hour with salary and benefits.

If you do the math, that is $30 per worker per hour of savings and $1,120 in savings per worker per week, which equals $58,240 in savings per year. If you multiply that total by the 1,400 workers in Indianapolis who will no longer be employed by Carrier, that's an estimated $81 million in savings per year.
How much might Carrier save by moving to Mexico? - TheIndyChannel.com

So President Trump is going to force Carrier to fork over an extra $81 million per year?
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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soo.... sillyposter did you hold Obama to the same standard? remember when he said if we passed the "shovel ready" trillion dollar stimulus bill, he said it would fix everything....


and it didn't...




did you hold him to this standard?


Or are you just being a liberalswimminginthehypocritpool?
What does the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act have to do with Trump's promise to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US?
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:18 PM
 
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Here's how much Carrier could save by moving to Mexico.



How much might Carrier save by moving to Mexico? - TheIndyChannel.com

So President Trump is going to force Carrier to fork over an extra $81 million per year?



imagine, one year profit will pay enough for purchasing the vote of many many republican and democrat representatives to block any attempt for blocking trade.


And if Trump succeds in Building the Wall, and closing completely trade with Mexico... ¿Will he do that to China?


Even if Trump gets USA isolated from the global Market of Manufacturing, will that mean that the rest of the world will become a desert, will starve, will stop working, will stop exchanging goods?


what if insted they change from US Dollar to another currency for Global Trade?


Closing the borders to trade and free flow of people will only increase the gap of productivity between USA and the rest of the World, and since USA has not any more a Technological Monopoly that will mean that the rest of the world will move despite USA Isolationism.
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Old 11-10-2016, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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"He says Indianapolis employees make about $34 per hour with salary and benefits, while workers in Mexico will make an average of $6 per hour with salary and benefits. If you do the math, that is $30 per worker per hour of savings."

If you do the math, they messed up the very first equation. Not sure how accurate the rest is LOL.
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