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I'm deflecting? All I said was that doctors in Canada like to come to America. Does that upset you? By the way, doctors in America don't like to go to Canada. Oooooo, Caaaaanadaaaaa.
You did deflect, you first said that in a nationalized system, that doctors work for free; I pointed out that that is false with real world examples, and you didn't address that at all. You do that a lot, you make some point, and when someone challenges you on it, you deflect or change the subject. It is a noticeable pattern.
And there might be a reason besides $$$ that an American doctor wouldn't want to move to Canada, maybe the freezing cold winters for starters
You did deflect, you first said that in a nationalized system, that doctors work for free; I pointed out that that is false with real world examples, and you didn't address that at all. You do that a lot, you make some point, and when someone challenges you on it, you deflect or change the subject. It is a noticeable pattern.
And there might be a reason besides $$$ that an American doctor wouldn't want to move to Canada, maybe the freezing cold winters for starters
It's not a deflection. I was making an observation and whatever conclusion you want to draw from it is your own. I'm sure the Canadians are just fleeing the snow, you're right. There, see? LOL
Exactly. Don't pretend that you're doing it via any market principles. Just admit and embrace the fact that you're just using the government to force people to obey against their will to work for free. If you're honest about it, at least I'll respect you more.
Others have beat me to it, but just because the government implements ("sledgehammers" what have you) a different form of medical care doesn't turn the participants into some sort of modern-day slave. Speaking of health care professionals, if the free market is not to drive their reimbursement then their training etc. and the like should be subsidized. If a UK or Canadian trained doctor chooses to leverage their subsidized (I assume?) training by moving to the US and practicing at "market" rates - well that's their personal and hopefully our societal win. "We" didn't pay for the training. (Our only concern would be to prevent any future subsidized US doctors from too soon leaving the US to practice elsewhere.)
Others have beat me to it, but just because the government implements ("sledgehammers" what have you) a different form of medical care doesn't turn the participants into some sort of modern-day slave.
Yeah, actually, it does.
BTW, I've said this before: all the people who make this argument should have to live by it. So whatever salary you make and whatever occupation, you should be forced by the government to provide those services for free to the poor. And you have to provide it for however many people show up at your business, you can't just say "OK, I'll help out one person." Nope, you help anyone who shows up and you'll enjoy it. Live under your own beliefs.
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Yeah, actually, it does.
BTW, I've said this before: all the people who make this argument should have to live by it. So whatever salary you make and whatever occupation, you should be forced by the government to provide those services for free to the poor. And you have to provide it for however many people show up at your business, you can't just say "OK, I'll help out one person." Nope, you help anyone who shows up and you'll enjoy it. Live under your own beliefs.
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What's wrong, suddenly not so enthusiastic about living under your own belief system?
No, was pointing out that you are the one making the baseless claim (as no one is asking a doctor to work for free, that is just your interpretation) and building it up to where if people don't agree with you, they look stupid/wrong. That is the definition of a strawman argument
No, was pointing out that you are the one making the baseless claim (as no one is asking a doctor to work for free, that is just your interpretation) and building it up to where if people don't agree with you, they look stupid/wrong. That is the definition of a strawman argument
I can't help it if that's what people look like when they don't agree with me.
BTW, I've said this before: all the people who make this argument should have to live by it. So whatever salary you make and whatever occupation, you should be forced by the government to provide those services for free to the poor. And you have to provide it for however many people show up at your business, you can't just say "OK, I'll help out one person." Nope, you help anyone who shows up and you'll enjoy it. Live under your own beliefs.
My gosh. Did I say I believed that? Sure don't think I did but maybe it's getting too late. Nite.
(Seriously, though, this IS what irritates me most about this whole conservative-liberal thing - the tendency of both "sides" to accuse the other of all sorts of belief systems or ugly thoughts or whatever that just has little basis in reality for most folks on either side of the spectrum.)
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Does that upset you? By the way, doctors in America don't like to go to Canada. 