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Old 11-19-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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By design it’s not that easy to repeal it and replace later.

In the past most people got insurance thru their employer. Then with obamacare, employers found that if they cut everyone to 30 hours, their employees could get their insurance thru the marketplace.

Many employers no longer offer health benefits.

This monster called obamacare will be alot more difficult to rid ourselves.

What happens then?

Congress will repeal and states will go back to allowing carriers to sell real insurance, some with unlimited underwriting (which means they ask you lots of questions so you can have cheaper premiums if you are healthy and deserve it) Mandates on employee groups will be rescinded, premiums will drop and jobs will start to come back.

It wont happen overnight.
Obama and the RATs can completely wear that, as no Republican supported it.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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Republicans have had policy wonks working on this for five years.

They’ve had state pools long before obamacare. The Slate writer is ignorant.

This whole discovery by Slate is designed to discourage Trump’s supporters before the fight to implement his agenda takes place.

They truly fear him.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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Republicans have had policy wonks working on this for five years.

They’ve had state pools long before obamacare. The Slate writer is ignorant.

This whole discovery by Slate is designed to discourage Trump’s supporters before the fight to implement his agenda takes place.

They truly fear him.
Really? LOL.

for five years then, their policy wonks have never discussed a workable healthcare solution. When pressed about it they mutter things like "it will be great!". Or they create these fantasy policies that have asterisks in them that say "This will magically happen". Now they have to act like adults and come up with real workable policy. And thats a LOT different.

BTW. Obamacare is largely based upon a healthcare proposal created by the heritage foundation, and implemented by Romney in his state.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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I caught flack for saying that it should be repaired. I know the politically expedient thing to do would be to remove it, just to say it's removed - but people have ongoing current issues to deal with, and you just can't wipe something out this big without a plan in place to make changes.

I just think changes obviously need to be made towards lowering the entire price structure of health care... removing the government from the revenue stream... and empowering citizens to handle their own issues and make government involvement a personal choice on a case by case basis.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:37 PM
 
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Government, at any level, has NO business in the health insurance industry apart from (perhaps) certifying minimum levels of education regarding the business and the various broad policy outlines.

First, dump this POS ZeroCare.

Then, level the playing field. Remove restrictions that preclude selling insurances across state lines.

Privatize Medicare completely, and get fedgov out of the Dr’s offices and patients’ lives.

And, then, get the hell out of the way.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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Really? LOL.

for five years then, their policy wonks have never discussed a workable healthcare solution. When pressed about it they mutter things like "it will be great!". Or they create these fantasy policies that have asterisks in them that say "This will magically happen". Now they have to act like adults and come up with real workable policy. And thats a LOT different.
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BTW. Obamacare is largely based upon a healthcare proposal created by the heritage foundation, and implemented by Romney in his state.
Which was voted on by THE PEOPLE OF THAT STATE and not Forced upon everyone in the country by Marxists!
(I didn't get a vote .. you?)
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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Trump will get it sorted out. Give him some time.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:44 PM
 
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No, they can't repeal it with ease. That's why Trump is already walking it back.

I astonishes me that there are people like yourself that can be spoon fed the truth and yet refuse to swallow it. Cover your eyes and ears, and keep believing what you want, but the truth remains, all they have to do is defund it through reconciliation.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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I astonishes me that there are people like yourself that can be spoon fed the truth and yet refuse to swallow it. Cover your eyes and ears, and keep believing what you want, but the truth remains, all they have to do is defund it through reconciliation.
Heck, just remove the mandate and it collapses!
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:55 PM
 
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Trump campaigned on two promises related to healthcare reform.

1) Pre-existing conditions will still be covered

2) That the poor who can't afford health insurance will have some sort of government option to help them.

He also stated he wants to keep the mandate for group health plans to cover children up to the age of 26 on their parent's plans.

People elected him with these things in their minds. If he does not follow through, he will learn quick enough that the voting process can also remove him from office.
You can't keep the coverage of preexisting conditions if you remove the mandate that everyone must purchase insurance. Without the mandate, insurance companies can't afford to cover everyone, period. I don't know why people seem to have such a hard time understanding this.

But this is exactly why the Republicans have never been able to come up with a "replacement" that allows them to keep the parts of the ACA that are popular. Those things don't exist separate from each other. The three main parts that make the law work are the mandates, the subsidies and guaranteed coverage. You can't take away either or both of the first two and expect the third to remain viable.

They're going to have to either repeal the whole thing with no replacement which means wiping out coverage for the millions of people, replace it with some kind of universal coverage, or tweak the existing law, which the Democrats have been trying to do for years now but the Republicans have blocked.

Any way they go, the Republican base is not going to like it.
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