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It's not really a decrease in out of pocket money though, because you wouldn't have to shell out for a premium anymore
If you are employed, you are likely not paying the whole premium yourself. The Sanders plan would have increased my taxes by $10k, but I only pay $5k as a premium right now. My employer pays the rest.
If you are employed, you are likely not paying the whole premium yourself. The Sanders plan would have increased my taxes by $10k, but I only pay $5k as a premium right now. My employer pays the rest.
Really? The Sanders plan is a 2.2% payroll tax on the employed and 6% payroll tax for the employer. Are you earning $500 000 a year which is what you must earn to see taxes increase by $10k?
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If you are employed, you are likely not paying the whole premium yourself. The Sanders plan would have increased my taxes by $10k, but I only pay $5k as a premium right now. My employer pays the rest.
I have employer subsidized insurance too, what's your point? And as PCALMike said, you would have to make a half million dollars a year to see a $10k tax increase
They're not obligated to provide a replacement. If you want single-payer or universal healthcare, then work through your State. You do know what a "State" is, don't you?
Trump already stated that he would replace it the same day that Obamacare ends.
Perhaps do it in pieces and see how things go. Start with the parts of the law most disliked, like the employer mandate and the penalty for not buying insurance. Then look at things like subsidies, medicaid expansion, the exchanges, same premiums despite gender, staying on parents insurance until 26.
Pre-existing conditions will continue to be covered. He did campaign on this after all and repealing that part of Obamacare without a replacement plan that includes it will not be good for him.
Perhaps do it in pieces and see how things go. Start with the parts of the law most disliked, like the employer mandate and the penalty for not buying insurance. Then look at things like subsidies, medicaid expansion, the exchanges, same premiums despite gender, staying on parents insurance until 26.
Pre-existing conditions will continue to be covered. He did campaign on this after all and repealing that part of Obamacare without a replacement plan that includes it will not be good for him.
LOL. OK start with the parts nobody likes that makes the other parts possible. Remove the first two items and the costs will skyrocket, and the poor will quickly stop having insurance. Seriously, theres a lot of interdependent parts to the ACA. This is nowhere as simple as you make it sound.
Trump campaigned on two promises related to healthcare reform.
1) Pre-existing conditions will still be covered
2) That the poor who can't afford health insurance will have some sort of government option to help them.
He also stated he wants to keep the mandate for group health plans to cover children up to the age of 26 on their parent's plans.
People elected him with these things in their minds. If he does not follow through, he will learn quick enough that the voting process can also remove him from office.
The last time I heard him actually speak about it, he said that he hoped pre-existing conditions would still be covered.
There are fewer and fewer employers offering healthcare these days. I've only had one employer that offered anything at all. And that was mostly a joke. This large, long-time employer of mine gave you limited, out-patient care at a small hospital-clinic.
I tried to use it once. I had bashed a leg with the back of an ax. My leg had swollen and was throbbing and the bruise was badly discolored. I had rolled-up my pants leg as I waited in an examining-room. This quack of a doctor came in the far end of the room and never got closer to me than 20 feet. He said, in a dismissive tone of voice, "Roll down your pants and get back to work. Your leg is swollen, throbbing and discolored, because it's healing". Then he quickly left. My leg did heal, but no thanks to him. I wonder what kind of treatment I would have gotten with something like a broken bone? Even limited healthcare from an independent program would have been better than that.
The GOP has spent 6 years screeching at the top of its lungs that Obamacare needs to be repealed and replaced. The problem is, they never had much of a plan for the replace. So now it is something that they absolutely must do because they said so many times that they would do it -- but it's not going to be an easy thing to do.
The problem is that this is not food stamps or medicaid -- people who voted Republican and people who voted Trump are benefiting from Obamacare. If the GOP strips them of their benefits summarily, they will be pissed. Some insurers have struggled to make money under Obamacare, but other insurance companies have thrived under the law and are making record profits.
Obamacare is a mess -- there are too many regulations for employers and it always risked a death spiral of too many sick people signing up and too many insurers dropping out and too many people simply electing to pay a penalty. But the law also had benefits for many people, and they won't realize those benefits until they are ripped away.
The GOP would probably love to repeal the law on day 1 and delay the effect for a year or two while they dream up the replacement. But that would also be a mess because then insurers would drop out pre-emptively and leave a gap before the replacement.
It's going to be a mess and one I am glad I can sit on the sidelines and watch since I voted for Clinton (and I have employer coverage anyway so it doesn't affect me.)
You won't be so smug when the government starts taxing you on the value of your employer-provided benefits. After all, fair's fair and equal is equal.
Winston Churchill was right..."Americans will always do the right thing, once they've exhausted all other options."
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