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Old 11-19-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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Why repealing Obamacare is going to be a long, chaotic mess.

The GOP has spent 6 years screeching at the top of its lungs that Obamacare needs to be repealed and replaced. The problem is, they never had much of a plan for the replace. So now it is something that they absolutely must do because they said so many times that they would do it -- but it's not going to be an easy thing to do.

The problem is that this is not food stamps or medicaid -- people who voted Republican and people who voted Trump are benefiting from Obamacare. If the GOP strips them of their benefits summarily, they will be pissed. Some insurers have struggled to make money under Obamacare, but other insurance companies have thrived under the law and are making record profits.

Obamacare is a mess -- there are too many regulations for employers and it always risked a death spiral of too many sick people signing up and too many insurers dropping out and too many people simply electing to pay a penalty. But the law also had benefits for many people, and they won't realize those benefits until they are ripped away.

The GOP would probably love to repeal the law on day 1 and delay the effect for a year or two while they dream up the replacement. But that would also be a mess because then insurers would drop out pre-emptively and leave a gap before the replacement.

It's going to be a mess and one I am glad I can sit on the sidelines and watch since I voted for Clinton (and I have employer coverage anyway so it doesn't affect me.)
SLATE. 'Nuff said!
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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The problem is, they never had much of a plan for the replace.
This colossal train wreck set in motion by Democrats is very difficult to fix both politically and financially. While many have benefited from Obamacare that has been on the backs of people like this:

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Many local voters flipped for Trump - News - Citizens' Voice

Woodrosky, 53, enthusiastically cast her ballot for Donald Trump, the first time she ever backed a GOP candidate for president.

She said her health insurance premium, as a self-employed person, increased $350 a month for a total of $772 as a result of Obama’s health care law.
This is one of the reasons your side is now sitting on the bench. Do not expect a full repeal of Obamacare, what you can expect is sound policy that reflects the needs of everyone. The Republicans are not going to make the same mistake the Democrats did in 09 and 10 by driving an over the top agenda.

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(and I have employer coverage anyway so it doesn't affect me.)
One of those fixes is most certainly going to include lifting/altering the job killing employer mandate. If you were covered by your company prior to Obamacare and their rates were drastically affected by it they may be dropping that benefit in the future. If that occurs point your finger at the liberal politicians you supported that passed it.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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You can't keep the coverage of preexisting conditions if you remove the mandate that everyone must purchase insurance. Without the mandate, insurance companies can't afford to cover everyone, period. I don't know why people seem to have such a hard time understanding this.

But this is exactly why the Republicans have never been able to come up with a "replacement" that allows them to keep the parts of the ACA that are popular. Those things don't exist separate from each other. The three main parts that make the law work are the mandates, the subsidies and guaranteed coverage. You can't take away either or both of the first two and expect the third to remain viable.

They're going to have to either repeal the whole thing with no replacement which means wiping out coverage for the millions of people, replace it with some kind of universal coverage, or tweak the existing law, which the Democrats have been trying to do for years now but the Republicans have blocked.

Any way they go, the Republican base is not going to like it.
Yeah - the whole preexisting condition thing guts the whole purpose of insurance being a risk pool. It is a set up for insurance companies to fail.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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You can't keep the coverage of preexisting conditions if you remove the mandate that everyone must purchase insurance. Without the mandate, insurance companies can't afford to cover everyone, period. I don't know why people seem to have such a hard time understanding this.
It's understood perfectly in particular people like me that were pointing to this as the reason Obamacare was a going to be a train wreck if passed. The mandate is a failure hence the reason Obamacare is failure. Your party passed legislation they knew or should of known was doomed.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:15 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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It's understood perfectly in particular people like me that were pointing to this as the reason Obamacare was a going to be a train wreck if passed. The mandate is a failure hence the reason Obamacare is failure. Your party passed legislation they knew or should of known was doomed.
Awww, give them a break. They didn't know. Nancy said we would have to pass it to find out what was in it.

Great stuff!
People who had no idea that they were going to lose a critical election, and lose it on all fronts, now feel free to "guarantee" everyone who will listen that this thing or that thing will happen.

Waiting....
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:23 PM
 
Location: California
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Default Obamacare Repeal Won't Be So Easy

I'm sure there are some smart people working on it, it wont just be gone ne day, there will be a transition.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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I'm sure there are some smart people working on it, it wont just be gone ne day, there will be a transition.
They can't be too smart. They've been "working on it" for over six years now and they've still got nothing.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I've read through Paul Ryan's healthcare plan. I like it and prefer it to Ocare. I hope they appeal the whole damn ACA law and replace it with Ryan's option.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Why not just repeal Obamacare and give us what we wanted in the first place? A single payer system.

Oh that's right, the corporate lobbyists don't want that.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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You can't keep the coverage of preexisting conditions if you remove the mandate that everyone must purchase insurance. Without the mandate, insurance companies can't afford to cover everyone, period. I don't know why people seem to have such a hard time understanding this.

But this is exactly why the Republicans have never been able to come up with a "replacement" that allows them to keep the parts of the ACA that are popular. Those things don't exist separate from each other. The three main parts that make the law work are the mandates, the subsidies and guaranteed coverage. You can't take away either or both of the first two and expect the third to remain viable.

They're going to have to either repeal the whole thing with no replacement which means wiping out coverage for the millions of people, replace it with some kind of universal coverage, or tweak the existing law, which the Democrats have been trying to do for years now but the Republicans have blocked.

Any way they go, the Republican base is not going to like it.
Still putting out phony facts to try to make yourself feel better about the huge loss in the election?
It won't work, obamacare will be eliminated in it's entirety, and will be replaced by an efficient plan that actually favors the American people.
Sit back and watch what real leadership can do for America... the first woman president will be leaving the WH in January, then the adults take over...
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