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Old 11-19-2016, 01:12 AM
 
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Why repealing Obamacare is going to be a long, chaotic mess.

The GOP has spent 6 years screeching at the top of its lungs that Obamacare needs to be repealed and replaced. The problem is, they never had much of a plan for the replace. So now it is something that they absolutely must do because they said so many times that they would do it -- but it's not going to be an easy thing to do.

The problem is that this is not food stamps or medicaid -- people who voted Republican and people who voted Trump are benefiting from Obamacare. If the GOP strips them of their benefits summarily, they will be pissed. Some insurers have struggled to make money under Obamacare, but other insurance companies have thrived under the law and are making record profits.

Obamacare is a mess -- there are too many regulations for employers and it always risked a death spiral of too many sick people signing up and too many insurers dropping out and too many people simply electing to pay a penalty. But the law also had benefits for many people, and they won't realize those benefits until they are ripped away.

The GOP would probably love to repeal the law on day 1 and delay the effect for a year or two while they dream up the replacement. But that would also be a mess because then insurers would drop out pre-emptively and leave a gap before the replacement.

It's going to be a mess and one I am glad I can sit on the sidelines and watch since I voted for Clinton (and I have employer coverage anyway so it doesn't affect me.)
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:22 AM
 
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They not only can't repeal it, but they wouldn't even if they could.

Like I always say about conservatives....long on mouth, short on results.

And when I say "long on mouth," I mean REAL long!
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:26 AM
 
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They not only can't repeal it, but they wouldn't even if they could.

Like I always say about conservatives....long on mouth, short on results.

And when I say "long on mouth," I mean REAL long!
They said for years and years that they would. They have to at least make an effort at it. But when people realize their twentysomething kids are going to be uninsured, or their pre-existing conditions aren't covered, or widow mom can't get medicaid anymore, they're going to pissed.

I just hope the Democrats are smart enough to stay out of it and let the GOP do it themselves.
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump campaigned on two promises related to healthcare reform.

1) Pre-existing conditions will still be covered

2) That the poor who can't afford health insurance will have some sort of government option to help them.

He also stated he wants to keep the mandate for group health plans to cover children up to the age of 26 on their parent's plans.

People elected him with these things in their minds. If he does not follow through, he will learn quick enough that the voting process can also remove him from office.
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Apparently the supporters of the plan to kill Obamacare don't realize how many republicans there are who have limited resources and need a health plan they can afford. There's many millions of them and they're going to be very unfriendly at the next elections to those of their own party who have betrayed them.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:51 AM
 
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Basically it sounds like Trump is going to attempt to tweak Obamacare as everyone KNEW it would need to be when originally passed, but the Republicans blocked for years.

IE Trump will do exactly what Obama wanted to, and then try and co-opt the name to Trumpcare.

LOL.
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Old 11-19-2016, 03:08 AM
 
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Basically it sounds like Trump is going to attempt to tweak Obamacare as everyone KNEW it would need to be when originally passed, but the Republicans blocked for years.

IE Trump will do exactly what Obama wanted to, and then try and co-opt the name to Trumpcare.

LOL.
Bingo! That's pretty much EXACTLY what's gonna happen.

There'll be no outright repeal.
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Old 11-19-2016, 03:53 AM
 
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They not only can't repeal it, but they wouldn't even if they could.

Like I always say about conservatives....long on mouth, short on results.

And when I say "long on mouth," I mean REAL long!
They can repeal it with ease. The funding was done through reconciliaton and can be undone the same way.

Whether they will or not remains to be seen. Trump has already said that he is willing to keep certain parts of it. We might just get lucky and get some bi-partisan adjustments.

Imagine that.
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Old 11-19-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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They can repeal it with ease. The funding was done through reconciliaton and can be undone the same way.

Whether they will or not remains to be seen. Trump has already said that he is willing to keep certain parts of it. We might just get lucky and get some bi-partisan adjustments.

Imagine that.
No, they can't repeal it with ease. That's why Trump is already walking it back.
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Old 11-19-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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No, they can't repeal it with ease. That's why Trump is already walking it back.
Well if by ease you define it as 20 million more uninsured, and all of them blaming the Republicans......they can!

Building something is hard. Standing outside and throwing rocks at it is easy.
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