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The geniuses here told you what was going to occur years ago. You say this as if the mandate is actually doing something. It's not working which is why Obamacare is failing.
You didn't answer the question.
The house has voted to repeal Obama care around 50 times with no replacement, that is why it never made it past the senate. Obama would have vetoed the bill but the senate was smart enough to know that simply repealing Obama Care would have been a disaster.
So how does Trump keep those 2 items in place, how does he pay for them. This is by the way a rather large change to his claim that he would get rid of it in it's entirety his first day in office.
The GOP has spent 6 years screeching at the top of its lungs that Obamacare needs to be repealed and replaced. The problem is, they never had much of a plan for the replace. So now it is something that they absolutely must do because they said so many times that they would do it -- but it's not going to be an easy thing to do.
The problem is that this is not food stamps or medicaid -- people who voted Republican and people who voted Trump are benefiting from Obamacare. If the GOP strips them of their benefits summarily, they will be pissed. Some insurers have struggled to make money under Obamacare, but other insurance companies have thrived under the law and are making record profits.
Obamacare is a mess -- there are too many regulations for employers and it always risked a death spiral of too many sick people signing up and too many insurers dropping out and too many people simply electing to pay a penalty. But the law also had benefits for many people, and they won't realize those benefits until they are ripped away.
The GOP would probably love to repeal the law on day 1 and delay the effect for a year or two while they dream up the replacement. But that would also be a mess because then insurers would drop out pre-emptively and leave a gap before the replacement.
It's going to be a mess and one I am glad I can sit on the sidelines and watch since I voted for Clinton (and I have employer coverage anyway so it doesn't affect me.)
True. Obamacare has tentacles reaching into many different areas in our government. I don't think they'll repeal it at all, but they might claim they have repealed it. They'll change the name and some provisions like the subsidies, and call it a day.
They will use Obamacare as the excuse to privatize partially Social Security and Medicare.
The procedure will take years. They'll cut the subsidies and do the privatizing first thing, though. Because that's what they care about most
If they cut the mandatory provision and allow ins cos to sell non-ACA policies, then Obamacare will wither on the vine. As will SS and Medicare, if those are changed.
I disagree that some ins. cos. are making record profits. I don't think so. Some ins. cos have bigger losses than others, but none are making great profits.
I am sick and tired of people like you ASSUMING you speak for "we".
Who gave you permission to be the mouthpiece for ALL of us.
Your disillusion of importance is only exceeded b your ignorance.
Are there people who want single payer? Sure.
BUT, there is ALSO a lot of people who do NOT want it
So, quit making a fool of yourself with such statements when even YOU know damn well NOT EVERYBODY wants what you want.
Anger is seeping - legally it will be a nightmare- if anything they will have to do some steps or parts at a time- which is what they should have helped with in the beginning- stupid Reps so obnoxious- and obstructing everything they should have passed the best plan to start with! together they would have been able to the the kinks out-- its their fault- now back to the drawing board always pointing the fingers at the POTUS
Anger is seeping - legally it will be a nightmare- if anything they will have to do some steps or parts at a time- which is what they should have helped with in the beginning- stupid Reps so obnoxious- and obstructing everything they should have passed the best plan to start with! together they would have been able to the the kinks out-- its their fault- now back to the drawing board always pointing the fingers at the POTUS
"Anger is seeping" Quit reading all the lefties posts.
" which is what they should have helped with in the beginning-"
Why didn't they? They ran the congress.
Stupid DEMS so obnoxious-They decided to go it alone and screwed up ROYALLY, NOW the want help to fix their disaster.
"they should have helped with in the beginning-".
The tried and got this from Obama, "We won, get used to it" when they tried to be part of the discussions.
Why should anyone help with a bill they do NOT agree with.
Why couldn't the dems do a "good" ill that did NOT need fixing?
Maybe THEY are inept.
Maybe IF they had let the repubs PARTICIPATE, the bill would NOT be as it is.
Maybe they SHOULD have read it before passing it.
" and obstructing everything"
That is what we elected them to do. Obstruct ANYTHING the dems put forth that we don't want.
You act as if the dems don't OBSTRUCT anything. "We won, get used to it"
They're not obligated to provide a replacement. If you want single-payer or universal healthcare, then work through your State. You do know what a "State" is, don't you?
I never said they were obligated to. They can repeal the whole thing if they want to. I'm just saying that that would be dicey because their own voters would stand to lose coverage and benefits.
"Anger is seeping" Quit reading all the lefties posts.
" which is what they should have helped with in the beginning-"
Why didn't they? They ran the congress.
Stupid DEMS so obnoxious-They decided to go it alone and screwed up ROYALLY, NOW the want help to fix their disaster.
"they should have helped with in the beginning-".
The tried and got this from Obama, "We won, get used to it" when they tried to be part of the discussions.
Why should anyone help with a bill they do NOT agree with.
Why couldn't the dems do a "good" ill that did NOT need fixing?
Maybe THEY are inept.
Maybe IF they had let the repubs PARTICIPATE, the bill would NOT be as it is.
Maybe they SHOULD have read it before passing it.
" and obstructing everything"
That is what we elected them to do. Obstruct ANYTHING the dems put forth that we don't want.
You act as if the dems don't OBSTRUCT anything. "We won, get used to it"
How many regular budgets did harrry reid pass?
yep that they do-- In 2015 was the first time in years a budget was actually passed- now its in parts --DHS has no funding-- good luck with illegal catching tactics-- but below is the list wayyy too long to copy and paste -- wayyy too long
Just the Facts: House Republicans' Record on Obstructionhttps://www.democraticwhip.gov/content/just-facts-house-republicans-record-obstruction
but back to Obamacare- they could have put something together- even Romney had a plan- another state too- and they did allow it to pass as is-
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People say that they want that, but nobody wants the massive tax increase that would be involved.
It's not really a decrease in out of pocket money though, because you wouldn't have to shell out for a premium anymore
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they should have passed the best plan to start with! together they would have been able to the the kinks out-- its their fault- now back to the drawing board always pointing the fingers at the POTUS
