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Trump is not a conservative, not sure why you are confused here? Up until 30 so months before the election he was a progressive and praised progressive leaders/policies constantly.
Trump was picked in our primaries by independents and defected democrats, not by the establishment, the conservatives or the constitutional based groups. That is, he only got 38% of the vote in the primaries and when you consider the record bleed over of re-registered democrats and independents, it is quite clear who his major supporters were. The only reason he got elected was because most of the conservatives, constitutionalists, and even some in the establishment just couldn't accept a Hillary presidency.
So, now that you know who Trump is and who primarily supported him, it should now make sense when he starts pulling out various progressive solutions. Don't make the mistake of labeling him and his supporters something they are not.
By the way a common self labeling of Trump supporters was I think they called it Agrarian Nationalists or something like that?
Frustrating part is we seem to be biologically biased towards the second, as that is the way the vast majority of people function. Which is very frustrating when you are a person who functions in the first way.
I saw something recently about irrationality and genetics/evolution...the basic idea was that being rational used to get you killed back in the day (if you challenged the way things were run, or the kings and priests in charge), and the people who went along with the inconsistencies and irrational ideas would procreate and be rewarded.
That's not the best summary of it, but close enough. They were talking about SJWs and how a lot of young women are refusing to date guys who challenge that narrative. They also used the WW1 example of women handing out white feathers to the men who wouldn't join the war...basically calling them cowards. It's an interesting topic.
YOU yourself mentioned conservatives complained about the auto bailout, I am merely reminding you that there were legitimate complaints and lies/deception from Obama on the topic.
Fair enough MM.
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Originally Posted by Listener2307
Kind of predictable.
Democrats scream if the company leaves the US and call "foul play" if it stays. Then they call "temporary" in an effort to inoculate themselves against the well deserved call of Double Standard, each Democrat claiming to have the visionary power of Nostradamus and showing us all how it will end four years in the future.
Pretty pitiful.
More b.s.
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Originally Posted by Listener2307
Condescend much, do you?
To you? Yeah. Out of necessity.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
its actually simple..... freetrade (globalization) an invention of liberals (starting during the Carter admin) is not free and costs jobs
the globalist liberals pushed the freetrade agreements
nafta and all her sisters(freetrade agreements) did just that...sent jobs overseas
today we are getting killed by all these 'freetrades'
the freetrade movement started in the 70's and has been chugging alongs, pushed by carter, by bush1(as vp and potus), bush1 even negotiated nafta, pushed by nafta signer Clinton through a democrat controlled congress, and bush2, and obama
you can not have "freetrade" when the costs of living (and manufacturing (to include wages, property taxes, and even utilities) are so uneven
have you ever owned a business....you make ECONOMIC DECISIONS based on SMART MOVES
example:
you NEED a warehouse for your product (not a showroom where location,location,location is a factor)
nassau county you can get a 2,000,000sf warehouse that will cost you 30k a month
suffolk county you can get a 3,000,000sf warehouse that will cost you 20k a month.....
where do you think you are going to go for a warehouse.........Suffolk if you are smart, costs less and gives you room to expand
GE (an American company)(makes alarm clocks, lightbulbs, etc) it is CHEAPER for GE to make(assemble) an alarm clock in mexico and SHIP it to the USA than it is to make it in the USA(why...costs....wage costs, utility costs, land costs...and CORPORATE TAX COSTS)
you want jobs to come back to the USA...then we need to make it MORE costly for them to ship their product IN than to make it here....lower or even better ELIMINATE the corporate tax..and install import tariffs
one of the biggest problems is taxes to begin with
and not enough import tarrifs, to curb the cheapness of importing into
think about it,,, you have a business, and need to open a ware house:
do you open a warehouse in a city, county, state, or country with a high CORPORATE tax rate or a low tax rate
do you open a warehouse in a city, county, state, or country with a high PROPERTY tax rate or a low tax rate
do you open a warehouse in a city, county, state, or country with a high INCOME tax rate or a low tax rate
do you open a warehouse in a city, county, state, or country with high COST OF LIVING (housing costs, etc) or a low COL
do you open a warehouse in a city, county, state, or country with a high wage expectation, or a low
do you open a warehouse in a city, county, state, or country with high utility rates or lower rates
bet you say low for all those questions
the freetrade agreements (there's like 26 since nafta) nafta/cafta and senator Obama's OFTA (freetreade with oman) is what has caused over 60 million jobs to leave the USA and to go overseas
ALL should be repealed
get all the 'freetrade' agreements (like nafta and its 26 other sisters) thrown out, and bring back the import tarrifs... jobs and REVENUE will rise dramatically
That's a load of bull and you know it.
Republicans have supported EVERY free trade agreement that came down the pike. Clinton passed NAFTA on Republican support.
If that ain't the case, why didn't Republicans turn out for Ross Perot instead?
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Originally Posted by NxtGen
Trump is not a conservative, not sure why you are confused here? Up until 30 so months before the election he was a progressive and praised progressive leaders/policies constantly.
Trump was picked in our primaries by independents and defected democrats, not by the establishment, the conservatives or the constitutional based groups. That is, he only got 38% of the vote in the primaries and when you consider the record bleed over of re-registered democrats and independents, it is quite clear who his major supporters were. The only reason he got elected was because most of the conservatives, constitutionalists, and even some in the establishment just couldn't accept a Hillary presidency.
So, now that you know who Trump is and who primarily supported him, it should now make sense when he starts pulling out various progressive solutions. Don't make the mistake of labeling him and his supporters something they are not.
By the way a common self labeling of Trump supporters was I think they called it Agrarian Nationalists or something like that?
Not sure why I'm confused?
Lol...wow. okay. I'mma just let that sink in.
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How so? Is Carrier getting a taxpayer handout, like GM did under Bush and Obama?
I listen to a conservative radio show in the morning that includes a conservative/libertarian Orthodox Jew, a conservative Oklahoma Christian, a Hillary supporting Democrat and a die hard Trump supporter.
The conversations are very interesting and my fave is Ben Shapiro because at least for me, he provides a lot of clarity. He seems to know his conservative principles and takes Populist President Elect Trump to task, as well as praising him when he thinks Trump does something good.
So the conversation this morning has been about the Carrier deal on the radio and this is an article about it written by Shapiro...
(trigger warning to Trump supporters who can't handle a devil's advocate)
Trump also has the clout that he will be president, and that he will be pushing for lowered corporate income tax rates, and eliminating some of these new, burdensome 0bama EPA regulations. Something that was not on the table from IEDC.
I saw something recently about irrationality and genetics/evolution...the basic idea was that being rational used to get you killed back in the day (if you challenged the way things were run, or the kings and priests in charge), and the people who went along with the inconsistencies and irrational ideas would procreate and be rewarded.
That's not the best summary of it, but close enough. They were talking about SJWs and how a lot of young women are refusing to date guys who challenge that narrative. They also used the WW1 example of women handing out white feathers to the men who wouldn't join the war...basically calling them cowards. It's an interesting topic.
Oooh... that sounds really interesting. Do you remember the name of what you were watching??
(sorry for wandering off topic... just looking for a link )
Trump also has the clout that he will be president, and that he will be pushing for lowered corporate income tax rates, and eliminating some of these new, burdensome 0bama EPA regulations. Something that was not on the table from IEDC.
Yes... if he had told Carrier that there would be *general* policies coming down the line that would benefit them as well as everybody, that would be fine. The problem is if he made a deal exclusively for them, (crony) or threatened them in anyway with withdrawing federal contracts etc.
The former, great! The later, problematic.
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Then they call "temporary" in an effort to inoculate themselves against the well deserved call of Double Standard, each Democrat claiming to have the visionary power of Nostradamus and showing us all how it will end four years in the future.
