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Old 01-10-2017, 08:30 PM
 
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What would make this any different than Hillary's ties to Russia?
And the Kellyanne contingency weighs in.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:31 PM
 
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What would make this any different than Hillary's ties to Russia?
Hillary got paid for giving speeches. This is the worst false-equivalency I've seen in a long time.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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Hillary got paid for giving speeches. This is the worst false-equivalency I've seen in a long time.
Hang onto your hat, there will be more.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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Sen. John McCain passed on the information to the FBI. The Republicans had hired an ex-MI5 employee to dig up dirt. He also ended up sharing the work with the Democrats. Hence, the Clinton camp was constantly making the pro-Russian charges against Trump.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:34 PM
 
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Can someone please explain why he would be impeached or disqualified over this?

Why wouldn't he continue lumbering along?
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:36 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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It's HIGHLY illegal to get help from a foreign nation to get elected to a government position so yeah, if all of this is confirmed to be true, congress could very well start hearings to strip him of power.

Trump could also face serious charges but that would be up to the DoJ.
I suppose that means Pence will become the next president in that case he gets stripped of his power

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What would make this any different than Hillary's ties to Russia?
Hillary isn't going to be in charge of the worlds most powerful country in a few weeks, so who cares, Hillary is done and over with, we can close the books on her now.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:37 PM
 
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Yeah I hear that.

If all this is true - given that he's not sworn in yet - is there any precedent or policy on what happens if the President Elect is found to have colluded with a foreign power for the purpose of getting elected? Pence would not have been elected without Trump, and Trump is potentially not fit for office. (I mean legally, I know he's not fit.)
I doubt he would have colluded. Or that the Russians would put him into that position. Too sophisticated.

My guess is that the guy is basically broke, maybe with the serious Russian loans, and he'd rather the world not know. While on the "subject" might as well keep gossiping.

The money he fronted for the campaign last year used up pretty much the last of his liquidity (if it wasn't outright borrowed). Trump initially structured the donations as a personal loan to his campaign with the plan that later donors would reimburse him. Except they wouldn't. Potential donors insisted that he first forgive the loans. Trump balked, then finally caved - and this was about June. Needing the cash at that point, it was THEN he sold all his stocks, which were a surprisingly small amount given the size of his reputed business empire.

Trump's given two conflicting explanations for that stock sale - one that he sold to avoid conflicts of interest (not particularly credible given his other business conflicts plus this was before the Republican convention). The other story was that he foresaw a coming stock market crash.

Coupled with the refusal to release the tax returns ... Well, gossip over.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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Well that sucks.

Eh, Indiana is actually a fine state.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:39 PM
 
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The media reported what the US Intelligence gave to Trump and President Obama. Blame the media if it helps. And no, getting one part wrong does not negate the entire report unless one is desperate to ignore it, even if there is potential that Trump is compromised out of fear of what Putin has on him.
I will blame the mainstream media. They are operating well outside of their role as supposedly and relatively non-partisan reporters of factual information, as a general pattern, and outside of a role that should have them refrain from information that would unduly undermine the office of the president in an extremely sensitive social environment just days before an inauguration.

Yes, it does undermine the credibility of the entire report. That's how credibility in such matters works, especially since much of the rest of the information's veracity will be a judgement call. No Russian official is going to cop to it, even if true. The reputation of the report compiler is everything in this matter, and that reputation goes down the toilet once such significant non-factual information makes it into such a politically explosive document.

And no Russian source is going to verify the information in the report, and the report author will lose all credibility, especially because of this:

4Chan Claims To Have Fabricated Anti-Trump Report As A Hoax | Zero Hedge

The story of sexual deviance is 100% fake; written by kids from an internet forum who then passed it on to dunce Rick Wilson. The Neocon information exchange lost sight of its sources and this fake story eventually made it into a opposition paid-for report, into John McCain's hands, and then into an FBI and a CIA investigation.

There will be no way to salvage anything from this report for the opposition, as the dems and the neocons who paid for the report, the MSM who splashed this seditious verifiable fake news just 10 days before the inauguration, and whatever security agencies decided to take this seriously are going to be engaging in major damage control to mitigate their thorough embarrassment for their part in giving this any traction and making it a headline.

After this fake news report to end all fake news reports, the dems and the MSM's credibility will be damaged for a long time to come. They will be expected to go quiet for a while, as a prediction, if only to make themselves a smaller target for the incoming president.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:40 PM
 
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Can someone please explain why he would be impeached or disqualified over this?

Why wouldn't he continue lumbering along?
Apparently, though it's not confirmed, Trump was fed all kinds of stuff on Hillary in return for some quid pro quo potential RE deals. That's treasonous, surely.

And, who knows how far this thing actually goes that only Putin and his minions - and Trump - knows about?

Extortion of the POTUS by an unfriendly power is a teensy bit unseemly.
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