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All of that is very nice, but would you allow people who illegally immigrated here after we had reached your limit of 500,000,000 people to stay here?
Or would you deport them?
It would have to be a case by case basis. I'd really like to take a more compassionate approach to these issues because we aren't talking about just numbers. We are talking about people's lives and I do think it deserves consideration beyond a number on a paper.
As I said in my initial post, I'm speaking from my experience here in Northeastern Pa. It is a fact that many first generation immigrants never assimilated into the American experience. Now their children and grandchildren did, yes. But those coming over on the boats? Not as much you think.
Did they come here illegally?
I don't think so.
Did public schools teach their children in as many as seventy different languages as now happens in San Francisco and San Diego?
Were they given voting materials in their native language?
Were signs at the local department of motor vehicles written in their native language?
Were they given drivers licenses even though they were here illegally?
It would have to be a case by case basis. I'd really like to take a more compassionate approach to these issues because we aren't talking about just numbers. We are talking about people's lives and I do think it deserves consideration beyond a number on a paper.
This is one other problem with liberal ideology; the environmental impact of unchecked immigration. Our world is currently closing in on 7.5 billion people: World Population Clock: 7.5 Billion People (2017) - Worldometers. If you do a Google search for 'maximum human population of Earth' you will get many like this: How Many People Can Earth Support?. In that link they state: "Many scientists think Earth has a maximum carrying capacity of 9 billion to 10 billion people." Then you can also go to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population and see how dangerous this explosive human population is; just look at their graph on the top of the screen.
The world did not get it's first billion humans until the second half of the 1800's and now we are up to seven and a half billion. We went thousands of years without one billion people and now this explosive growth. There is only maybe 20 to 50 years left before we 'max' out according to many 'experts'. This places even more pressure on all of our resources. Our oceans are contaminated, drinking water is contaminated, we look everyplace for new energy resources. More is not better; it could be the destruction of humanity as we know it.
One side wants us to worry about global warming and one side wants expansion for profit. Humans might not survive to see global warming at the rate we are going. On the other side; how can we create a capitalist economy that relies on less? we have to start a dialog on these issues and I do not think anybody wants to be first.
When it comes to the churches providing sanctuary; the simply don't see the big picture.
While I certainly don't disagree with any of this, if people are so worried about the environment why aren't those issues treated seriously? We only discuss the environment and poor Americans when it comes to illegal immigration. Otherwise, you try to talk about these issues and people start bitching about regulations, how humans don't impact the environment etc.
You are saying we can't have it both ways and I throw that right back to your side.
I don't think it means nothing. I think its a good goal. But like anything else that is complex I think its immature to say nope, we reached the limit and we don't care about you because you are person 5,000,001. Its like having a budget for vacation but then your car goes and you saying, "Well guess we are going without a car because the money is for vacation. It says so right on this paper."
I'm wondering why you don't also blame the illegal immigrants.
Did the companies force them to break our laws and come here illegally?
(2) Did they go down to Mexico and kidnap them?
Wrong.
A very few never assimilated.
1- you dont-
2- the companies recruit- they have someone hold a sign in the street that say TRABAJO (work)
and they offered a WAY to get here- Well did the current flow? of course! everybody jumped in that band wagon - and companies have continued to HIRE HIRE HIRE
3- if you are the poor man with no alternatives- and kids hungry and sick- would you not follow the TRABAJO sign ?
4- America was made from every poor man running to make a better life for their families. The corporations paved the way-since Columbus -- he killed everyone so Europeans could come- who had the boats??
point being- what has changed ?- laws-? Well who broke them first?? the Chinese and Africans were brought here - and so were the Mexicans - a poor man not just jumping a wall with NO destination- they KNOW where to go-- and be welcomed
Did public schools teach their children in as many as seventy different languages as now happens in San Francisco and San Diego?
Were they given voting materials in their native language?
Were signs at the local department of motor vehicles written in their native language?
Were they given drivers licenses even though they were here illegally?
I don't think so.
Keep adding on to previous posts in order to prove yourself "right." This is tiresome and its intellectually lazy. I think I'm done here. I'm good to debate but when you start moving goal posts, changing original premises of posts, etc. I'm done.
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Well did the current flow? of course! everybody jumped in that band wagon - and companies have continued to HIRE HIRE HIRE
