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Old 01-22-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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I think you need to remove the middle word.

The real key to the right and Trump is RWA "Right Wing Authoritarianism" - a about 30% of the population meets that criteria. They wouldn't care if Trump raped 10 13 year olds or grabbed 1,000 puzzies. They don't care how many contractors he cheated, how many times he went bankrupt or how much he cheated investors, taxpayers and bondholders out of.

I wouldn't call that purity.

But Authoritarianism means you support pretty much ANYTHING based on what your idea of a "strong leader" thinks. This is why you see "Christians" loving a dude who committed more sins (and never repents) than virtually any living soul. It's why they will stand behind his lies and approve of his cabinet picks....and pretty much everything he does.

Luckily, 70% of the population are NOT authoritarians and may evenly become evidence based.
I am Christian - middle-of-the-road progressive Protestant - and I do not support Trump. Sadly, the term "Christian" often gets used to refer to the fundamentalist evangelical branch alone.

I and many like me try to follow Christ's teachings, believe in caring for the earth and all that live upon it, believe in equality and freedom and democracy and kindness and love and representative government, and try to be a good person who walks the walk.

I also try to hate the sin but love the sinner, which is a lot tougher than it sounds. So yes, in that sense, I am a Christian who loves and prays for Trump. But I certainly do not love or support what he stands for, or his actions, and I will continue to speak out in opposition to him, his followers, and his "sins", and work for the eventual greater good for our country, our people, and the well-being of the world and its people.

 
Old 01-22-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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While the predominant presence at the march was white women, there were Asians, Latinas and Latinos and Black people. The mothers of the movement who had lost their children to police violence were there and spoke. Sandra Bland, say her name was one of the chants.

Black women, in particular, have voiced their concerns that they have been marginalized by this movement as they have been in the past, but the movement will continue to reach out to include them and hopefully we can get past the disunity.

Jamia Wilson is one of the leaders.

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“I am a black woman in this country, [a] cis-gender woman. I have a disability. I am an American citizen,” she said. “All of those identities have given me either historic struggle and lack of of access, and some of those identities have given me privilege.”
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Tamika D. Mallory, a national co-chair of the march, acknowledges the long-term rejection of black women in feminist spaces but she believes is important for black women to be at the march to articulate their concerns.

"It's either we have a seat at the table or we're on the menu," said Mallory former executive director of the National Action Network and founder of Mallory Consulting. "How can we allow anyone to speak on the issues of women and not have women of color, particularly black women, involved? We should not allow ourselves to be an agenda item. We need to set the agenda."
Angela Davis spoke:
Full Transcript Of Angela Davis's Women's March Speech - Read Angela Davis's Women's March Speech - Elle

In Chicago, the list of speakers included all kinds of people.
You can google the list, but here are a few

Khadine Bennett from the ACLU of Illinois
Cleopatra Cowley-Pendleton: Hadiya Pendleton Foundation (she lost her daughter to gun violence)
Eva Lewis, Maxine Aguilar, Maxine Wint, and Yahair Tarr: Youth For Black Lives
Tamar Manasseh from Mothers Against Senseless Violence (she is a black Rabbi)

and more
Updated Details Released for Women
 
Old 01-22-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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Are you back to talking about the California popular vote as argument? Unless you live in CA, it's meaningless. But since you persist with that type of argument then....
Here in the battleground state of NC Trump won 51% and beat Hillary by 5 points.
OH, and BTW, I voted for Trump & watch Netflix.
lol in North Carolina Trump won 49.8% of the vote He led Clinton by a whopping 173,315 votes for a 3.1% lead. It's odd that you would provide false information when the actual data is so easy to find, in fact it's right here on the North Carolina State Board of Elections website
 
Old 01-22-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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apparently you do not have any answers to the questions I posted, so you attempt to insult me.
I'm sorry you felt insulted that was not my intent, but you didn't really ask any questions you posted opinions followed by question marks, commonly known as rhetorical questions.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 10:56 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Protests always start out of anger and the result is they spark activism that works toward the specific objectives you mentioned. All along the march route in D.C. and other cities were sign up points to join activist groups. There won't be just one big p*ssyhat activist group born out of this march but rather dozens with slightly different objectives with one common core value: to stop Trump from dragging us into an Orwellian World.
The Estrogen Nation will not be silenced. Until it's time for General Hospital, The View,Mani-Pedi time or a hair dresser appointment comes up. <sarcasm off>

I do have one serious question for the Ovarian Nation and that is "how do you reconcile all your accusations/hysteria about other's vile words and how Trump and Co. will be bad for families against some of the truly VILE signs,words,gestures and actions that were present yesterday in a crowd of supposed adults and KIDS?"

How do you with any semblance of a straight face or clean conscience try and claim the moral high ground with what was done/said in front of many innocent children that y'all BROUGHT to the march?
 
Old 01-22-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Protests always start out of anger and the result is they spark activism that works toward the specific objectives you mentioned. All along the march route in D.C. and other cities were sign up points to join activist groups. There won't be just one big p*ssyhat activist group born out of this march but rather dozens with slightly different objectives with one common core value: to stop Trump from dragging us into an Orwellian World.
Tell me what some of the objectives are.

Trump nominating someone who supports Roe v Wade to the SC ?

Congress not defunding Planned Parenthood or repealing Obamacare ?

Trump resigning or impeached ?

The D's taking Congress in 2018 ?

Trump backing down on a wall and reducing Muslim immigrants ?

CNN reporters not mysteriously disappearing ?
 
Old 01-22-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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The Estrogen Nation will not be silenced. Until it's time for General Hospital, The View,Mani-Pedi time or a hair dresser appointment comes up. <sarcasm off>
I do have one serious question for the Ovarian Nation and that is "how do you reconcile all your accusations/hysteria about other's vile words and how Trump and Co. will be bad for families against some of the truly VILE signs,words,gestures and actions that were present yesterday in a crowd of supposed adults and KIDS?"
How do you with any semblance of a straight face or clean conscience try and claim the moral high ground with what was done/said in front of many innocent children that y'all BROUGHT to the march?
Wow, you really hate women don't you?
 
Old 01-22-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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apparently you do not have any answers to the questions I posted, so you attempt to insult me.
Sorry, it didn't work.
The only "implications" of the protest marches I see are that there are disaffected people out there who like to make useless noise. Such protests engender no fear in my heart or soul at all. If I pay attention to them at all, I find them rather hilarious.
MLK accomplished something big with his protests.
Rosa Parks accomplished something big.
The lunch counter sit-ins accomplished something big.

Six months from now, the participants of the marches will have a warm fuzzy, thinking about what they did, but few others will remember the marches, and the marchers will be unable to point to very many (if any) good results of their efforts.
Those very important protesters you mention had one thing in common which is a SINGLE ISSUE MESSAGE unlike the Estrogen March which had many,many conflicting messages, none of them clear or concise.

That is why it was/is an epic fail...
 
Old 01-22-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Wow, you really hate women don't you?
Yep, so much that I've been married to the same one for 28 years now. What I dislike (hate is a strong word) is disingenuous "me too" people who cannot figure out what they actually stand for or present a logical,concise thought and so follow others like lemmings.

Get a logical,realistic REAL and concise message and then an intelligent conversation can be had. Run around like rabble shouting all sorts of blather and it's impossible to have any conversation.

To make it even more simple, PICK ONE ISSUE that is actually in danger and then protest away...
 
Old 01-22-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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I have only second-hand knowledge of what happened in Washington, but I can tell you that the tone of the Denver march was respectful and dignified. Well, except for the naked guy in a fourth floor window of a building on the march route, but as a spectator, he hardly counts. There were a few signs that I found mildly objectionable, but the vast majority were appeals to decorum, inclusion, fairness, and compassion. A few were issue-based. I neither saw nor heard any foul language, not it could not have happened, but I did not personally observe any. Neither did I observe any violence. On the contrary, the mood was uplifting and celebratory. It felt like the beginning of something very special, and it my most fervent wish that the momentum carries the participants back into their communities to work on the issues that brought them into Denver to march yesterday.
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