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Old 07-03-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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You cannot deny that most Democrats oppose Trump especially on immigration. His views on immigration are the basis for their assertion he is a racist.
I think the "Muslim ban" or whatever it's actually called is wrong, and also wonder why it suddenly became ok to be intolerant of arabs and Muslims....

 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You cannot deny that most Democrats oppose Trump especially on immigration. His views on immigration are the basis for their assertion he is a racist.
That is not correct. It is history of discrimination, combined with his attitude toward Hispanics, combined with his attitude toward Muslims.

And racist is not really the correct term. I think many feel that he is a bigot, not a racist. Bigots have warped views on many groups -- not just other races.

And really, at this point who knows what Trump is, other than a liar and hypocrite, as he reverses positions enough to make one's head spin. He sort of stands for nothing--other than he'd like the country the way it was in the 50s.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955...imination-case
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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I don't understand how the abortion issue is a 'wedge' issue. It is no more a wedge issue than any other political issue.
Most evangelicals will vote for the pro-life candidate no matter their stance on any other issue. Abortion is the primarily reason 85-90% of evangelical Christians vote Republican, with same-sex marriage close behind it. Abortion is a wedge issue because preachers and conservative politicians use the issue to convince people that their eternal salvation depends on voting Republican and ending abortion and that they will burn in a fiery hell if they don't, even though we are coming upon the 50 year anniversary of Roe v Wade and it still stands.
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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That is not correct. It is history of discrimination, combined with his attitude toward Hispanics, combined with his attitude toward Muslims.

And racist is not really the correct term. I think many feel that he is a bigot, not a racist. Bigots have warped views on many groups -- not just other races.

And really, at this point who knows what Trump is, other than a liar and hypocrite, as he reverses positions enough to make one's head spin. He sort of stands for nothing--other than he'd like the country the way it was in the 50s.

Donald Trump's Housing Discrimination Case Still Chases Him Decades Later : NPR

He has no history of bigotry. Liberals accuse anybody who disagrees with them of bigotry. It all politics and about getting out the vote of minorities for Democrat party.

His issue is obviouslt not with all Muslims. It is with Muslims engaged in terrorism.
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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ok, as I've pointed out, all you do is insult people and act like you are smarter than people because you are a liberal.

Coping out would be to let you control the terms of the debate. You obviously can't refute my point that Hillary is very pro-choice and pro-PP. Generally in elections people are voting against one candidate as much as they voting for a candidate.

I don't understand how the abortion issue is a 'wedge' issue. It is no more a wedge issue than any other political issue.


The bold demonstrates you are a wedge issue votes, congrats...own it....

And as for your third grade logic above it, here goes- I never said Hillary wasn't pro-choice..I simply asked you to make an argument as to why evangelicals would come out for Trump in droves without mention Hillary and you couldn't do it, 5 or 6 posts later and you still don't get it.....my goodness....If you can't do it that's fine...embrace it...but be honest about it....
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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He has no history of bigotry. Liberals accuse anybody who disagrees with them of bigotry. It all politics and about getting out the vote of minorities for Democrat party.
Really, so him calling all Mexican immigrants rapists wasn't a bigoted comment?
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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The bold demonstrates you are a wedge issue votes, congrats...own it....

And as for your third grade logic above it, here goes- I never said Hillary wasn't pro-choice..I simply asked you to make an argument as to why evangelicals would come out for Trump in droves without mention Hillary and you couldn't do it, 5 or 6 posts later and you still don't get it.....my goodness....If you can't do it that's fine...embrace it...but be honest about it....
Again, you want to prevent me from making a valid point that refutes your point because you, as a liberal, think you get to control the terms of the debate. It doesn't work like that.

GIven you are not pro-life, it is hilarious that you think you have credibility to lecture conservatives about who they should vote for. Doing the exact opposite of what you say is the right way to go for conservatives.
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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He has no history of bigotry. Liberals accuse anybody who disagrees with them of bigotry. It all politics and about getting out the vote of minorities for Democrat party.

His issue is obviouslt not with all Muslims. It is with Muslims engaged in terrorism.

I bet you honestly believe this...you and David Duke who endorsed him too....
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Really, so him calling all Mexican immigrants rapists wasn't a bigoted comment?
He didn't say all immigrants are rapists. That is typical Democrat party smear to get out the minority vote. It is called race baiting.

Truth is you guys deny that some are rapists and criminals.
 
Old 07-03-2017, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I bet you honestly believe this...you and David Duke who endorsed him too....
A KKK person endorsed HIllary. You don't talk about that, because it is about racebaiting.

When this country has white racist policies, it was your party pushing them and your party still has not changed its name despite being the legacy party of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, lynching, Civil war, and KKK.

It is like asking Jews to vote for a party called the National Socialist German Workers (Nazi) Party.
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