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Old 05-08-2017, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Absolutely, she has.

And what she's hit on is as old as America herself. Read the book White Trash: the 400-Year Untold History of Class in America. Nancy Isenberg explains this phenomenon very well. In their struggle to keep their heads above water, even poor, uneducated Americans have always needed someone to look down on. It's the only way they are able to achieve any sense of control over their environments and their own very limited opportunities.
Quoted for truth
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Nothing that requires the money and labor of others to achieve is a "right".
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Get off of city data POC forum
LOL. Good advice.

I just took a lengthy break from CD because I grew weary of the kind of stuff posted on this thread. As I recently said to a CD friend, it's like taking a break from a soap opera. Boycott it for months, and then return to discover that nothing has changed!
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Nothing that requires the money and labor of others to achieve is a "right".
Then you have no right to exist. You required the labor of your mother and the money of your parents and taxpayers to be where you are today.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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My cousin is a VERY high earning medical doctor in Canada who practices medicine by his own "free will." I'm quite sure he has never felt that he was contributing "slave labor."

I wish people wouldn't make comments on things they know little about.
Go re-read what I wrote. Slowly this time, so you can understand. Not once did I say Doctors "contribute" to "slave labor".

Whoosh.

Try again.

Interesting metric for a conversation. I'm not allowed to talk about Doctors and Healthcare, because...well you say so. But you can because of your unequalled qualification of having a "cousin" who is a Doctor in Canada.


I had a "girlfriend" in Canada when I was younger too :crazy:
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Did he buy the lawn mower or did his mommy and daddy let them use the family one?
Actually, my example was hypothetical, but there have been cases in which enterprising kids did use money they earned or received from other sources to invest in materials to make even more money. For example, I know some kids in my neighborhood whose parents made them buy all the ingredients for their lemonade stand out of the kids' "own" money (although, granted, this was most likely from gifts, allowances or from doing other chores that might have meant using their parents' cleaning products) --and, yes, their parents probably allowed them to borrow a pitcher from home (oh, the horror!) -- so of course there goes my argument. Yes, I suppose the parents could have charged the kids rent for what they borrowed, but I doubt whether that would even satisfy you.

Btw, you might want to watch the following video. I doubt if ALL the materials, including the old beat-up lawn mower, would have cost more than a total of $100. (I could be wrong, of course.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnFTC8-eFyQ

But if you want to nit-pick and say that for someone to truly be earning everything he had all by himself (or herself), s/he would have had to pay for everything entirely from his own hard work, go right ahead. And if you want to put someone down for having the gumption to want to earn more money, that is your right, also.

But it just amazes me to read or hear the lengths people will go to to justify someone for not doing what most people must do to have a nice lifestyle, and yet expecting many of the same "privileges" that workers earn -- and, btw, I am excluding BASIC necessities, including basic healthcare, from this as I do NOT consider these to be privileges. (And, to say it AGAIN, I am only talking about people who could get a job that pays enough to support him/her, but who choose not to do so. I am certainly NOT talking about someone who is unable to get a decent-paying job, and I know that this applies to MANY poor people.)

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Old 05-08-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Go re-read what I wrote. Slowly this time, so you can understand. Not once did I say Doctors "contribute" to "slave labor".


Whoosh.


Try again.
You implied that universal healthcare is the enforcement of "slave labor" on medical professionals. I replied that my cousin in Canada, a country with well-established universal healthcare system, doesn't feel he's being "forced" to do anything against his will, or that he's performing "slave labor." I'm certain you'd be hard-pressed to find many doctors in any country with universal healthcare systems who feel that way.

Whoosh.

Try again.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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You implied that universal healthcare is the enforcement of "slave labor" on the part of medical professionals. I replied that my cousin in Canada, a country with well-established universal healthcare system, doesn't feel he's being "forced" to do anything against his will, or that he's performing "slave labor." I'm certain you'd be hard-pressed to find many doctors in any country with universal healthcare systems who feel that way.

Whoosh.

Try again.

OK, I get it. You're just dense and obtuse.


Say hello to your Doctor "cousin" in Canada for me.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Nope
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Then you have no right to exist. You required the labor of your mother and the money of your parents and taxpayers to be where you are today.
Ok. Opinion noted.
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