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Old 05-10-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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I didn't say it was anyone's fault but some people need help. My obesity problems mean I can't breathe that well without my oxygen. It's very hard to get a job in my confotion

So what? Am I responsible for you not pushing yourself away from the dinner table? If so, HOW am I responsible? I didn't cause your lot in life, YOU did.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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I barely make $10,000 a year as it is. Only rich people should pay more taxes and they have more than enough money to pay. Just imagine if we could provide care for everybody. There is no reason people need two homes or many cars or wasteful things.
I can tell that you're very young. In all do respect, wait until you get older and you'll understand. The rich are the ones taking the risks, they're creating business, they're the ones employing people. They're creating jobs. Why is that a bad thing? There's no reason to getting so hung over on percentages, especially if you don't know what it means. I don't know if you supported Sanders but if you do...Bernie Sanders doesn't know anything about businesses. He doesn't know what it's like to pay anybody.

But, what about the bottom 90% of tax payers. Bottom 47% pays no income tax. Top 10% pays 70% of it. That means the middle 43% pays 30%. The 10% are carrying us on their back and Bernie wants to break their leg for not going fast enough.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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It makes sense. I get what you mean. I agree it's inherent. But...every belief system is based on something that is unproven. Every single one. To say something is a human right means nothing. Where do you get them? From your basis of human rights. It's just feelings which is essentially, subjective.
Unproven =/= subjective, but I know what you're saying.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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I think the rich can pay. I see them wasting money that could be used to give everyone the basics.

Wasting money? Exactly who the hell are you to say what another can do with their earnings? Where do you get that supposed right?

You and you alone are responsible for where you are in life. Not anyone else.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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But because we cannot all have high salaries, those that do, should cover the shortfalls for those that can't make big money.

A leech or parasite seeks to live off others. Which are you?
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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PuhLEASE... I double dog dare you to bring your $10K/year earning rear to MY home and try to take that which you think you are entitled of MY earnings. I dare you.

You want to use your vote to STEAL from others. By what right do you make ANY claim to what another has earned?
Speaking of voting, I think it's something that should be addressed. We have taxation with representation, correct? So someone paying no taxes has one vote, and someone paying taxes has one vote. In essence, the person paying taxes is being taxed without representation. They should get 2 votes - one for just "being" and one for being taxed.

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Old 05-10-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yes, I consider it a basic human right, but that doesn't mean it has to be free. Water is required to survival, but we still have to pay for that.

Preventative healthcare should be available to everyone for a low cost, or free. Going to the doctor once a year would help catch cancer and other illnesses earlier.
This word " free " keeps coming up. UHC in not free. It paid through taxes. No one in a country with UHC would say it's free. They may say, when I went to the hospital, doctors, lab etc, the it cost them nothing, but what they mean in nothing up front. They know what's paying for it.

The difference between healthcare and water ( people also mention food as a necessity ) is that water and food isn't going to suddenly present you with a bill that will bankrupt you. The reason insurance exists for cars, houses and healthcare is because of what it would cost without it. As far as I know, there is no insurance for food and water.

I really wish those who don't understand, or have huge misgivings about UHC actually come to Canada and talk to the people.

You will hear mostly positive stories. No system is perfect, but you will hear Canadians wanting improvements of course, but the VAST majority would NEVER give up our UHC system.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I wish I was still young. Yes, I got out and voted for Bernie. First time I voted and then the second time was for Hillary. The rich need to pay their fair share.
the rich already pay their share, your share, my share..

NO one should pay more of a percentage that someone else....doesn't matter what level you come from
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:18 PM
 
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I wish I was still young. Yes, I got out and voted for Bernie. First time I voted and then the second time was for Hillary. The rich need to pay their fair share.
Ok then let's take this step by step. The rich had their taxes raised a few years ago, but what do you consider to be fair? What percentage of their earnings should the government receive?
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:18 PM
 
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I didn't say it was anyone's fault but some people need help. My obesity problems mean I can't breathe that well without my oxygen. It's very hard to get a job in my confotion
Obesity is not a health issue that I should be expected to fund you for. It is somebody's fault - your's.
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