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Old 05-23-2017, 12:00 AM
 
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You still haven't explained that argument though.
There are no shortage of articles about it on the internet explaining the ugly details. Simply put, US elections are completely rigged in favor of establishment candidates from the two major parties.

Election Justice USA Study Finds that Without Election Fraud Sanders Would Have Won by Landslide
Election Justice USA finds that Bernie Sanders lost an estimated 184 delegates to Election Fraud:
Well, 184 is only the upper estimate considering election fraud. Not even counting in the immense MSM bias, lack of debates, DNC bias/shenenigans outside of fraud, Hillary’s huge funding thanks to corruption… It should have been a landslide for Bernie!


The following is from the last page of the entire report:


A. CONCLUSIONS
We have aimed to provide an overview of the evidence for various types of fraud and targeted voter suppression impacting the outcomes of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. After covering the legal background and the history of Election Justice USA’s legal actions, our best efforts to combat election fraud and voter suppression, we gave a thorough treatment of:


1) Targeted voter suppression
2) Registration tampering
3) Illegal voter purges
4) Exit polling discrepancies
5) Evidence for voting machine tampering
6) The security (or lack thereof) of various voting machine types


Finally, we gave a date-by-date, state-by-state overview of each of these fraud or suppression types at work throughout the course of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. Based on this work, Election Justice USA has established an upper estimate of 184 pledged delegates lost by Senator Bernie Sanders as a consequence of specific irregularities and instances of fraud. Adding these delegates to Senator Sanders’ pledged delegate total and subtracting the same number from Hillary Clinton’s total would more than erase the 359 pledged delegate gap between the two candidates. EJUSA established the upper estimate through exit polling data, statistical analysis by precinct size, and attention to the details of Democratic proportional awarding of national delegates. Even small changes in vote shares in critical states like Massachusetts and New York could have substantially changed the media narrative surrounding the primaries in ways that would likely have had far reaching consequences for Senator Sanders’ campaign.
B. RECOMMENDATIONS
We conclude by calling for decertification of the 2016 Democratic primary results in every state in which we have established a reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the vote tally.


Even in states where Sanders won the popular vote by large margin the superdelegates simply nullified the results by declaring for Clinton. Even if Sanders somehow managed to get past all the electoral fraud and shenanigans and win the primary the electoral college could and no doubt would have simply declare Trump the winner in the general regardless of how many votes Sanders would receive in the general election. The system is completely rigged.


Newsweek | Was the Election Rigged Against Bernie Sanders? DNC Lawsuit Demands Repayment for Campaign Donors

 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:11 AM
 
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https://www.thenation.com/article/if...some-evidence/

Sham Group Election Justice USA Set Up By Dead-Enders To Smear Hillary

The US election process heavily favors mainstrean two-party candidates. That is not proof however that "the system is totally rigged". Or that inane conspiracy theories are credible.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:15 AM
 
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Clearly, he was murdered for bringing to light how she "won" the nomination.

More like stole than won.
So these very clever people that "rigged" the election and then lost, are so stupid that they murdered someone after the fact to halt attention to the subject, even though it was all over and they had nothing to gain?

Logic at it's best.

The only thing such a murder could possibly do is draw MORE attention to the subject.

Now they are acting in a vengeful manner, despite having nothing to gain and everything to lose?
 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:25 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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There are no shortage of articles about it on the internet explaining the ugly details. Simply put, US elections are completely rigged in favor of establishment candidates from the two major parties.

[
[/indent]Even in states where Sanders won the popular vote by large margin the superdelegates simply nullified the results by declaring for Clinton. Even if Sanders somehow managed to get past all the electoral fraud and shenanigans and win the primary the electoral college could and no doubt would have simply declare Trump the winner in the general regardless of how many votes Sanders would receive in the general election. The system is completely rigged.

Your link is a 100 page report. Sadly, I dont have the time tonight to go point by point of why it is wrong, but I can point out some key factors for you


1. 184 delegates was not the margin of defeat for Sanders, that number not even including superdelegates was around 350.

2. Closed Primaries did not cheat Bernie Sanders. This a PARTY PRIMARY, not a general election, arguing that he lost because his supporters couldnt participate in a party primary is like saying you lost a private club president election because your supporters werent club members, and mind you polling didnt say he would win if there werent closed primaries only that it would have been closer.

3. Democrats dont control some of the states where it is claimed that purges happened, like Arizona for example. Is the argument that Republicans colluded to have Clinton win ?????

As for the 2 other states named. Clinton won NY by 300,000 votes, there were about 180,000 people kicked off voter roles who were democrats/and or werent allowed to register as Dems. There was no way possible for Sanders to win that state even if every single person kicked off the roles or not allowed to Register for what ever reason had voted for him.

Same is true in California.


4. There were less debates because there were less candidates, and because those candidates announced later in the year than in 2007/2008. By the time the first Democrat decided to announce in 2015, comparatively there had already been multiple debates in 2007 and more candidates than declared total in 2015.

5. Superdelegates are not assigned to states, they are given to party leaders. The media are the ones who loop them in by states.

6. If you use the media guide for assigning Super delegates, then Sanders "won" states were he lost the popular vote, or won a larger share of the delegate count than he should have. That is a key flaw in all of this. hypocrisy.

If you want to talk about any other specifics of this, i am glad to respond, but tell me which page of this document you are referencing.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:28 AM
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https://www.thenation.com/article/if...some-evidence/

Sham Group Election Justice USA Set Up By Dead-Enders To Smear Hillary

The US election process heavily favors mainstrean two-party candidates. That is not proof however that "the system is totally rigged". Or that inane conspiracy theories are credible.
Regardless of their reason for existing, their numbers just dont add up to a Sanders victory.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:37 AM
 
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The US election process heavily favors mainstrean two-party candidates. That is not proof however that "the system is totally rigged". Or that inane conspiracy theories are credible.
It is so painfully obvious the system is rigged even the Washington Post has to admit it.

U.S. elections ranked worst among Western democracies. Here’s why | Washington Post

The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds | Washington Post





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So these very clever people that "rigged" the election and then lost, are so stupid that they murdered someone after the fact to halt attention to the subject, even though it was all over and they had nothing to gain?

Logic at it's best.

The only thing such a murder could possibly do is draw MORE attention to the subject.

Now they are acting in a vengeful manner, despite having nothing to gain and everything to lose?
1. Yes, people can be very vengeful. Vengeance is often a motive for murder.

2. You think it was just some random coincidence Rich was shot in the back by some crazy person for no apparent reason? I have a bridge to sell you.

3. The leaks could be very damaging to the DNC and Hillary's campaign against Trump. They probably killed him before he could leak even more damaging information, and make others like him think twice before doing the same.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:42 AM
 
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You guys are SO convinced of this conspiracy theory yet SO SURE that the whole Comey/FBI investigation of Russian collusion is bogus?

Threads like this are exactly why conservatives are regarded as stupid.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:44 AM
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It is so painfully obvious the system is rigged even the Washington Post has to admit it.
The WP gave completely different reasons than you did though.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 12:57 AM
 
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The WP gave completely different reasons than you did though.
Either way, the system is corrupt. Why even bother with elections when superdelegates and the electoral college can simply nullify the results at a whim? In other words, you better vote for the 'right' candidate, or the powers that be will vote for you.

Other favorite means of suppressing the vote including gerrymandering, electronic voting that can be easily manipulated, holding the election on Tuesdays instead of the weekend, giving voters misinformation, etc.
 
Old 05-23-2017, 01:01 AM
 
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You guys are SO convinced of this conspiracy theory yet SO SURE that the whole Comey/FBI investigation of Russian collusion is bogus?

Threads like this are exactly why conservatives are regarded as stupid.
You really think most nationalists and right wingers are conservatives? This post is exactly why people think most american leftists and dems are emasculated beta males, minorities, and masculine women
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