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Your article is arguing the percentage by which Clinton won over Bernie including SD's, that impacts the percentage, not the actual outcome.
Hillary goes from winning with 55% of the vote, to winning with 58%
She still won the popular vote by 4 million, and the delegate count by 450 when you dont include superdelegates.
Do you not understand that she still wins when you remove superdelegates ????
Always nice to have an automatic 400 delegate head start as the incumbent Clinton did when the primary started, with the media constantly harping how Sanders cannot possibly catch up to such a large lead, planting in the minds of voters that Clinton is inevitable, Bernie supporters might as well stay home or change their intended vote to Clinton.
After Sanders’ sweeping win in New Hampshire, the DNC went into hyper drive to break his momentum, starting in the next voting state Nevada.
Concerned Sanders would win Nevada, Sen. Harry Reid, the former Senate Majority Leader and most powerful elected official in Nevada, as it later emerged, arranged a plan with owners of Las Vegas casinos, where many caucuses were being held, and other employers, to ensure Clinton would win. The Nevada caucuses were then rigged with massive voting irregularities such as casino owners orchestrating which workers would be allowed to vote and, in clear intimidation, openly monitoring how they voted.
Vote tampering also occurred in other states, most recently in Arizona where on election day, polling locations were sharply cut forcing many voters to stand in line for up to five hours in the heat, with some leaving before casting a vote.
Voter suppression laws, rampant now across the country, disproportionately disenfranchise students and young voters, a group that has voted for Sanders by margins of up to 80 percent. The laws, passed by right-wing legislatures and governors, also target African Americans and Latinos, which will ultimately harm any Democratic nominee in November.
As the Wikileaks emails revealed even the debates were rigged, with CNN lodging nothing but softball questions for Clinton and even handing her the questions in advance along with suggested answers. Sanders on the other hand had to answer all their hardball gotcha questions on the spot with nothing given in advance. What a complete farce.
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Always nice to have an automatic 400 delegate head start as the incumbent Clinton did when the primary started, with the media constantly harping how Sanders cannot possibly catch up to such a large lead, planting in the minds of voters that Clinton is inevitable, Bernie supporters might as well stay home or change their intended vote to Clinton.
Superdelegates are not new, Sanders is one, and had the ability to try and sway them to his side.
Arguing that he couldnt is further reason why he simply lost, and wasnt cheated.
You are again making the " I lost because my supporters werent members" argument.
As for wikileaks, they claimed Clinton got 2 questions, not every single one as you claimed. One about Flint Drinking water( the debate was in Flint Michigan), the second about the death penalty.
Are you telling me at a debate in Flint Michigan, Bernie Sanders didnt know there would be a drinking water question ????
And how does the Death Penalty question affect anyone in the context you are arguing, ill wait.
It is like a football game. You field your best people, you use your best moves, you might even commit a couple fouls and hope that you do not get caught. In THAT sense I suppose the Superbowl is "rigged" too.
Everyone acknowledges that there are many attempts at voter suppression , and occassional vote tampering and that the DNC thought Clinton was their best chance at winning and acted accordingly and in some cases inappropriately.
Lets be clear, none of that adds up to anything but politics as usual and IF you really give a turd, I suggest you focus your energy on fixing the system, instead of promoting conspiracy theories.
Honestly, it seems like you have hitched your wagon to a lame mule and have made vindicating your opinions more important than the issues themselves.
Perhaps your idea of "rigging" (helping your favored candidate to prevail, even with dirty tricks) is just completely different from what you are trying to promote: that Sanders could have won otherwise. Or that in the end, the voters voted, the electoral college assembled and the outcome was cast.
Sanders fought an uphill battle. And lost.
Now if you were trying to promote the idea that the vast majority of voters are so stupid that shenanigans like debate questions and character smearing actually work, then we are on the same page. People vote against their best interests.
In the USA it is ALWAYS a binary contest and if you donot give YOUR vote to one of the two candidates who is certainly going to win, then you too may end up undermining your best interest.
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Everyone acknowledges that there are many attempts at voter suppression , and occassional vote tampering and that the DNC thought Clinton was their best chance at winning and acted accordingly and in some cases inappropriately.
Nope.
The DNC is an entity, the DNC did not act, individuals did and that was 100% within the rights of those individuals, per party by-laws.
LOL, I was hedging my words to avoid the inevitable "moral outrage" response.
And it backfired. Still, any acts by individuals associated with an organization that can be used to clutter the message or hamper progress is probably a mistake at best.
You know that Obama had the super delegate count which gave him the 2008 Primary win, right? Hillary had more regular delegates. She got shafted like Bernie did, of course it was the dem voters that got shafted. The DNC is one corrupt mess of racketeers, apparently.
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LOL, I was hedging my words to avoid the inevitable "moral outrage" response.
And it backfired. Still, any acts by individuals associated with an organization that can be used to clutter the message or hamper progress is probably a mistake at best.
An optics mistake, yes, but it goes back to the Argument of Bernie being an outsider and his supporters not knowing the rules.
You have plenty of hard working Democrats being attacked by Bernie supports who have never been to a primary before because they didnt know the rules, like all those precinct captains in Iowa and Nevada.
Not knowing the rules is a huge reason why these Bernie supporters feel cheated, and i get that, but not knowing doesnt make it ok to slander these people or the DNC itself.
My current county chair is a Berniecrat, he won in a landslide this past March. He did so by joining the party, reading party rules, going to meetings, being involved, and then running for party office. Obviously, i disagree with him on issues, but he did the right thing, by not "backseat driving" and actually grabbing the wheel.
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You know that Obama had the super delegate count which gave him the 2008 Primary win, right? Hillary had more regular delegates. She got shafted like Bernie did, of course it was the dem voters that got shafted. The DNC is one corrupt mess of racketeers, apparently.
Both statements are a lie
Barack Obama had exactly 52 more pledged delegates than Hillary Clinton.
At best, what you mean to say is that Clinton got more votes than him, that would be true(300,000 votes)
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Pulling out all stops on this hoax? Must be something big going down. Could Twitter conspiracy theorists Taylor and Mensch be right that Flynn is spilling the beans and squealing like a stuck pig.
Always nice to have an automatic 400 delegate head start as the incumbent Clinton did when the primary started, with the media constantly harping how Sanders cannot possibly catch up to such a large lead, planting in the minds of voters that Clinton is inevitable, Bernie supporters might as well stay home or change their intended vote to Clinton.
After Sanders’ sweeping win in New Hampshire, the DNC went into hyper drive to break his momentum, starting in the next voting state Nevada.
Concerned Sanders would win Nevada, Sen. Harry Reid, the former Senate Majority Leader and most powerful elected official in Nevada, as it later emerged, arranged a plan with owners of Las Vegas casinos, where many caucuses were being held, and other employers, to ensure Clinton would win. The Nevada caucuses were then rigged with massive voting irregularities such as casino owners orchestrating which workers would be allowed to vote and, in clear intimidation, openly monitoring how they voted.
Vote tampering also occurred in other states, most recently in Arizona where on election day, polling locations were sharply cut forcing many voters to stand in line for up to five hours in the heat, with some leaving before casting a vote.
Voter suppression laws, rampant now across the country, disproportionately disenfranchise students and young voters, a group that has voted for Sanders by margins of up to 80 percent. The laws, passed by right-wing legislatures and governors, also target African Americans and Latinos, which will ultimately harm any Democratic nominee in November.
As the Wikileaks emails revealed even the debates were rigged, with CNN lodging nothing but softball questions for Clinton and even handing her the questions in advance along with suggested answers. Sanders on the other hand had to answer all their hardball gotcha questions on the spot with nothing given in advance. What a complete farce.
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