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The vast majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Asia accounts for the majority and have relatively few issues. The PI and Thailand are exceptions.
The issue is where certain Muslims come from.
Muslims don't need to be "celebrated" for being muslims and it's cringe worthy to see the fawning as if they are pets or poor unfortunates to be used as props for senseless displays of righteousness.
We always like to do that with people/things we secretly believe to be less than so we look like good people don't we?
You probably don't want to alienate the Muslims, after all, they are there to stay and they are going nowhere
If they feel welcome there, they will view themselves as part of the community and maybe next time, they will report something.
Boy do we disagree on this. This sounds very much like blaming the victims of these attacks. "Well, if you would have been nicer..."
No. This has nothing to do with being nicer and more welcoming. Sweden has bent over backwards for these people and they still get attacked.
What you're saying is exactly the mindset that too many Europeans have right now, and all it's doing is causing them more harm and more danger.
If there's this supposed difference between 'moderate Muslims' and terrorists, then it doesn't matter one bit how "nice and welcoming" you are to any one, the terrorists will still kill and the 'moderate Muslims' will still claim not to be any part of it.
I'm saying it straight out: You're dead wrong about this.
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Originally Posted by Ceece
Muslims don't need to be "celebrated" for being muslims and it's cringe worthy to see the fawning as if they are pets or poor unfortunates to be used as props for senseless displays of righteousness.
We always like to do that with people/things we secretly believe to be less than so we look like good people don't we?
Totally agree. The other day I saw a tweet (as they are called) by a supposed Imam stating that he was very much against the attacks. The comment section was flooded with these types, gushing and fawning, as you said, all over the guy. "Oh, you're one of the good ones, thank you for being a good Muslim. You're so wonderful. How wonderful you are. What a brave soul you are to stand up to these people." You practically expected them to ask to adopt the guy. It was disgusting to read.
Of course, this is the very same Imam who, in the very same tweet, corrected an idiot who stated, "Thank you. We know this isn't actually Islam." To which the Imam replied, "Oh yes it is" and proceeded to inform the idiot that their religion most certainly does preach violence. The idiot then went on to try to word it differently to make it again seem like it wasn't Islam, to which this Imam stated, yet again, how wrong she was. This is Islam, he just doesn't condone these attacks.
Muslims don't need to be "celebrated" for being muslims and it's cringe worthy to see the fawning as if they are pets or poor unfortunates to be used as props for senseless displays of righteousness.
We always like to do that with people/things we secretly believe to be less than so we look like good people don't we?
Youre wasting your breath. They never seem smart enough to grasp the difference between "immutable" characteristics such as race, sex and sexuality with CHOSEN identities, such as religion or political affiliation.
I can damn well hold ALL Republicans accountable for their politicians. Same with Communists or Fascists, if someone does something in the name of their ideology, or in accordance with their stated platform.
However, I can't hold all red heads accountable for what a red head does. Can't tell a black person to be held accountable for what other blacks do.
I can, however, hold Muslims accountable for what their fellow believers do in the name of their ideology. Only THEY can ultimately change the way THEIR stupid religion is followed and interpreted. Everyone else just gets held hostage by it.
That doesn't make sense.
Do you hold all Christians accountable for the actions of, say, Westboro church members?
Extremists are responsible for their own perversions of a religion. The religion isn't responsible for those perversions.
The vast majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Asia accounts for the majority and have relatively few issues. The PI and Thailand are exceptions.
The issue is where certain Muslims come from.
Naw, the supposed moderate Muslim countries of Indonesia of Turkey are resorting back to their roots.
I'm probably as kneejerk as anyone when it comes to terrorism. However, I do think that Muslims seem to be in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position. Imagine if old white guys were blowing stuff up. I'd want to show up at a memorial or a rally just to show that ALL old white guys aren't so bad. This is kinda what these folks are doing, so I have to give them a pass of sorts.
And here is direct evidence contradicting the assertions of the OP. The ringleader of the attack was known to authorities because local Muslims contacted them about his radicalization efforts on children, and he was even taped on a TV program flying an ISIS flag.
Boy do we disagree on this. This sounds very much like blaming the victims of these attacks. "Well, if you would have been nicer..."
No. This has nothing to do with being nicer and more welcoming. Sweden has bent over backwards for these people and they still get attacked.
What you're saying is exactly the mindset that too many Europeans have right now, and all it's doing is causing them more harm and more danger.
If there's this supposed difference between 'moderate Muslims' and terrorists, then it doesn't matter one bit how "nice and welcoming" you are to any one, the terrorists will still kill and the 'moderate Muslims' will still claim not to be any part of it.
I'm saying it straight out: You're dead wrong about this.
I'm probably as kneejerk as anyone when it comes to terrorism. However, I do think that Muslims seem to be in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position. Imagine if old white guys were blowing stuff up. I'd want to show up at a memorial or a rally just to show that ALL old white guys aren't so bad. This is kinda what these folks are doing, so I have to give them a pass of sorts.
They were being honored, they should be the ones honoring!
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