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Old 06-15-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
I have to give them credit on this one. An lone, overweight, elderly man armed with a knife or baseball bat, running around a baseball field trying to attack Congresspeople probably young enough to be his children? Laughable, but put a gun in his hand and it is deadly.

THIS is the real issue, not politics, not religion, not even mental illness. Guns. Sorry, NRA, MORE guns are not the solution. "Rounding Third, Carrying an AK-47, and Headed for Home" ???????? NO, NRA. LESS guns is what is needed.

I am a Sanders supporter, who voted for Hillary. Senseless Violence, be that against a Democrat, Republican, Black Churchgoers, or School Children.

Eliminate the MEANS, and the Motive becomes Moot.
So what you're saying is that you hate women and old folks. Guns *are* the great equalizer. A sixty-year-old woman with a gun stands a chance against a 20-year-old man.

 
Old 06-15-2017, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Could be, Constitutionalist own the NRA.
The only continuation they have is their profits in the gun industry.
 
Old 06-15-2017, 09:34 PM
 
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All these "firearms death" statistics factor in everything. Suicides, self defense shootings, police shootings and criminals killing criminals. It all gets lumped in. I have never seen a gun related death "study" or statistical chart that breaks things down. This is deliberate. Set up to make people think that ALL deaths or injuries by a person with a firearm are "senseless, avoidable tragedies" perpetrated by criminals. And it just isn't so.
The FBI divides the deaths, I have seen the chart on CD.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 05:29 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Mtnluver8956 View Post
The only continuation they have is their profits in the gun industry.
I should have said more constitutionalist
Most do not know this, but the NRA is the driving force for most of the gun legislation we have today.
They are not for the Constitutions version. They helped create the version of the 2nd amendment we have today. They are good at compromising your rights.

The 2017 version of the 2nd Amendment:

Militias are forbidden as the police state has replaced the free state, the privilege of citizens 21 years or older, who are non-felons and sworn mentally sane, may keep but not bear the small arms the federal or state government allows, this may be altered at a moments notice or whenever the government feels threatened by the people.

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Old 06-16-2017, 06:12 AM
 
Location: *
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
I should have said more constitutionalist
Most do not know this, but the NRA is the driving force for most of the gun legislation we have today.
They are not for the Constitutions version. They helped create the version of the 2nd amendment we have today. They are good at compromising your rights.

The 2017 version of the 2nd Amendment:

Militias are forbidden as the police state has replaced the free state, the privilege of citizens 21 years or older, who are non-felons and sworn mentally sane, may keep but not bear the small arms the federal or state government allows, this may be altered at a moments notice or whenever the government feels threatened by the people.
If I'm understanding this libertarian gibberish correctly ~ you are attempting to defend the 'lone shooter' by blaming the tyrannical NRA & the tyrannical government for preventing the 'lone shooter' from forming his/her own tyrannical militia?

Holy $hit. Why not just bring the 'duel till death' back into vogue? Still nonsensical, still violent, still doesn't solve problems, although on the bright side less human collateral damage.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 06:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by NVplumber View Post
All these "firearms death" statistics factor in everything. Suicides, self defense shootings, police shootings and criminals killing criminals. It all gets lumped in. I have never seen a gun related death "study" or statistical chart that breaks things down. This is deliberate. Set up to make people think that ALL deaths or injuries by a person with a firearm are "senseless, avoidable tragedies" perpetrated by criminals. And it just isn't so.
This is a pretty good interactive graph , play around with some of the settings. Sadly most of our gun violence points in one direction, after suicides.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/
 
Old 06-16-2017, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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One of the great myths is that Joe or Jane Average would be able to protect themselves by being armed, if a situation were to present itself. There was a program on TV one time where they tested how quickly and efficiently a class of armed people were able to react to a threat, and they all failed badly.

Police are trained and retrained constantly so that they know what to do in a bad situation. The average person is not......they take a class, get a license, and then probably never fire the gun again. By the time they react to a problem, get the gun unholstered, figure out how to get the safety off, and aim it, they would have been killed. The myth that little church ladies will be able to protect themselves by being armed is just that, a myth.


Here, I found a little video that is pretty interesting on that subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h01Z2LLtw7U
 
Old 06-16-2017, 06:35 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You can 3D print a gun and you can run over 100 people with a mack truck. Preventing law abiding people from having guns will do nothing to prevent killings or attacks.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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Police are trained and retrained constantly so that they know what to do in a bad situation.

LOL. No, they aren't, not that average street officer.


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The average person is not......they take a class, get a license, and then probably never fire the gun again.

And many people are not average.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Yeah, I know, you and Rambo could stop any threat because you are proficient and armed.
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