What's the difference betwee the Religious Right and the Islamic fundamentalists? (percentage, American)

[exm]

Originally Posted by texan2yankee

I can't recall any Christian fundamentalists killing people in the name of Christianity in the last millennium. Islamists kill people almost everyday, including mostly other Muslims, in the name of Islam.

Exactly. But it seems that some diehard liberal Christian haters here somehow think that "Christian Extremist" are more dangerous than "Muslim Extremist". Oh, and that's only valid for the United States according to them.

[Taiko]

Originally Posted by exm

Exactly. But it seems that some diehard liberal Christian haters here somehow think that "Christian Extremist" are more dangerous than "Muslim Extremist". Oh, and that's only valid for the United States according to them.

I guess since the odds are that they are not going to get their heads chopped off that the real danger they fear is being called a sinner for having sex with someone besides a valid spouse of the opposite gender

[zzzSnorlax]

Simple differences I observe as an Atheist looking in from the outside:

Christian Fundamentalist / Muslim Fundamentalist (American Only, Fundamentalist Only)

Quantity: Christian - 4/10 Muslim - 0.01/10
Intensity: Christian - 3/10 Muslim - 9/10

I both would rather have a fundy Christian as a neighbor than a fundy Muslim due to the intensity scores, while also realizing that by pure numbers game, in America, I am more likely to be annoyed in my day to day life by a fundy Christian than a fundy Muslim, simply because there are so many more of them.

[Wee-Bey]

Originally Posted by WIHS2006

As far as I am concerned they are one and the same. They just call their God something different. Posters on this forum are always screaming about how Muslims want to impose Sharia law on us, but what about all the Talibangelicals who are always trying to impose their fundamentalist brand of Christianity on us? Posters are always babbling about how the Koran says this or that ... but what about the Christian fundamentalists like Ted Cruz who think that the Bible should dictate government policy?


Goldwater was right. The American Right has been hijacked by Christian fundamentalists.

This post is so full of crap. How many Christian military organizations are there armed with 20th and 21st century weaponry making holy war against non-Christians in the name of God? There are ZERO!

Your attempt at equivalency is offensive and retarded.
Islamic militant organizations fighting the infidel for the greater glory of Allah.

Daash
Al-Qaida
Taleban
Boko Haram

Europe
Caucasus Emirate
Imarat Kavkaz (IK)
Islamic Great Eastern Raiders Front
Turkish Hizbullah

Middle East
Abdallah Azzam Brigades (AAB)
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army
Ahrar al-Sham [Qatar + Turkey]
Ahfad Al-Rasoul Brigade
al-Nusrah Front
al-Qa’ida in Egypt
al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula [AQAP]
Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb
Ansar Al Islam
Ansar al-Shari’a - Darnah, Libya
Ansar al-Shari’a - Benghazi, Libya
Ansar al-Shari’a - Darnah, Libya
Ansar al-Shari’a - Tunisia
Ansar al-Shari’a - Yemen
Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis (ABM)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Army of Islam (AOI)
Asaib al Haq (AAH)
Asbat al-Ansar
Badr Brigades
Daash
Fajr Libya
Hamas
Harakat Sham al-Islam (HSI)
Hashd al-Shaabi
Hizballah
Hothi / Houthi / Huthi
Islamic Army of Iraq (IAI)
Islamic Front [Syria ]
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant ISIL
Islamic State of Iraq and Shams ISIS
Islamic State in Afghanistan
Islamic State in Algeria
Islamic State in Egypt
Islamic State in Libya
Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI)
Islamic Task Organization
Jabhat al-Nusrah
Jabhat Fateh al-Sham
Jaish al-Islam
Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar (JAMWA)
Jamaat al Muslimeen
Jaysh al-Mahdi (JAM)
Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al-Naqshabandi (JRTN)
Al-Jihad
Jund Al-Khilafa [Algeria]
Kata’ib Hizballah (KH)
Khorasan group
Libya Dawn
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
Mahdi Army / Al-Sadr Group
Muhammad Jamal Network (MJN)
Mujahidin for Islamic Revolution in Iraq
Mujahidin Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem (MSC)
Organisation of Arab Armed Struggle
Palestine Islamic Jihad
People’s Mobilization Forces
Al-Qaeda Organization in the Arabian Peninsula
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat
al-Shabab al-Moumineen
Saudi Hezbollah
Shura Council [Libya]
Supreme Council For Islamic Revolution In Iraq
Syrian Islamic Liberation Front (SILF)
Syrian Islamic Front (SIF)
Syrian Liberation Front
Wilayat Najd [Saudi Arabia]
Wilayat San'a [Yemen]
Wilayat Sinai

Southeast Asia
Abu Sayyaf Group
Ansar al-Khilafah
Ansar al-Shari'ah Brigade
Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters [BIFF]
Daulah Islamiyah
Front Pembela Islam (FPI)
Gerakan Mujahideen Islam Pattani (GMP)
Hizb ut-Tahrir Indonesia (HTI)
Islamic State of Lanao
Jamaah Ansharut Daulah (JAD)
Jamaah Ansharusy Syariah (JAS)
Jemmah Anshorut Tauhid [JAT]
Jemaah Islamiya [JI]
Justice for Islamic Movement (JIM)
Khalifa Islamiyah Mindanao (KIM)
Majelis Mujahidin Indonesia (MMI)
M'arakat al-Ansar
Maute Group
Moro Islamic Liberation Front

Central and South Asia
Anti-Soviet Mujahideen

Ahl-e-Hadees
Allah Party [Hizbullah] of East Turkestan
Alla’r Dal
Al Markajul al Islami
Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent
Ansar al Islam (AAI) Bangladesh
Ansarullah Bangla Team (ABT)
East Turkistan Liberation Organization (ETLO)
East Turkistan National Revolution Association
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement
Eastern Turkestan Liberation Organization
Eastern Turkistan Islamic Party (ETIP)
Haqqani Faction
Harkatul Jihadi Islami (HUJI)
Harkatul Jihadi Islami (HUJI)-Bangladesh
High Council of Afghanistan Islamic Emirate
Hizb-i-Islami Khalis (HIK)
Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HUM)
Hizb-i-Islami
Hizb ut-Tahir al-Islami
Hizb ut-Tahir al-Islami Bangladesh
Hizb-ut-Tawhid / Hizbut Touhid
Islamic Democratic Party
Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic Solidarity Front [Myanmar]
Islamic State in Afghanistan
Islami Samaj
Jagrata Muslim Janata, Bangladesh (JMJB)
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jama'atul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB)
Jamaat ul-Fuqra
Jund al-Khilafa [Kazakhstan]
Lashkar-e-Islami
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ)
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Movement for the Enforcement of Islamic Sharia
Shahdat al Hiqma / Shahadat-e-al Haqima (SAH)
Shahadat-e-Nobuwat
Tamir ud-Deen
Taleban
Tawhid Trust / Touhid Trust
Tehreek Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi ( TNSM )
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan
Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP)
Ulema Anjuman al Baiyinaat
United Jihad Council
Africa
al-Qa'ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Allied Democratic Forces (ADF)
Al-Shabaab
Al Sunna Wal Jamma
Ansaru
Ansar al Din
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Boko Haram
Fighting Islamic Group
Eritrean Islamic Jihad Movement
al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya
Islamic Movement of Nigeria (IMN)
Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP)
Macina Liberation Front (MLF)
Mourabitounes
Nusrat-ul-Islam
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat
The Supreme Islamic Courts Union (ICU)

[exm]

Originally Posted by Wee-Bey

This post is so full of crap. How many Christian military organizations are there armed with 20th and 21st century weaponry making holy war against non-Christians in the name of God? There are ZERO!

Your attempt at equivalency is offensive and retarded.
Islamic militant organizations fighting the infidel for the greater glory of Allah.

Daash
Al-Qaida
Taleban
Boko Haram

Europe
Caucasus Emirate
Imarat Kavkaz (IK)
Islamic Great Eastern Raiders Front
Turkish Hizbullah

Middle East
Abdallah Azzam Brigades (AAB)
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army
Ahrar al-Sham [Qatar + Turkey]
Ahfad Al-Rasoul Brigade
al-Nusrah Front
al-Qa’ida in Egypt
al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula [AQAP]
Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb
Ansar Al Islam
Ansar al-Shari’a - Darnah, Libya
Ansar al-Shari’a - Benghazi, Libya
Ansar al-Shari’a - Darnah, Libya
Ansar al-Shari’a - Tunisia
Ansar al-Shari’a - Yemen
Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis (ABM)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Army of Islam (AOI)
Asaib al Haq (AAH)
Asbat al-Ansar
Badr Brigades
Daash
Fajr Libya
Hamas
Harakat Sham al-Islam (HSI)
Hashd al-Shaabi
Hizballah
Hothi / Houthi / Huthi
Islamic Army of Iraq (IAI)
Islamic Front [Syria ]
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant ISIL
Islamic State of Iraq and Shams ISIS
Islamic State in Afghanistan
Islamic State in Algeria
Islamic State in Egypt
Islamic State in Libya
Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI)
Islamic Task Organization
Jabhat al-Nusrah
Jabhat Fateh al-Sham
Jaish al-Islam
Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar (JAMWA)
Jamaat al Muslimeen
Jaysh al-Mahdi (JAM)
Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al-Naqshabandi (JRTN)
Al-Jihad
Jund Al-Khilafa [Algeria]
Kata’ib Hizballah (KH)
Khorasan group
Libya Dawn
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
Mahdi Army / Al-Sadr Group
Muhammad Jamal Network (MJN)
Mujahidin for Islamic Revolution in Iraq
Mujahidin Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem (MSC)
Organisation of Arab Armed Struggle
Palestine Islamic Jihad
People’s Mobilization Forces
Al-Qaeda Organization in the Arabian Peninsula
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat
al-Shabab al-Moumineen
Saudi Hezbollah
Shura Council [Libya]
Supreme Council For Islamic Revolution In Iraq
Syrian Islamic Liberation Front (SILF)
Syrian Islamic Front (SIF)
Syrian Liberation Front
Wilayat Najd [Saudi Arabia]
Wilayat San'a [Yemen]
Wilayat Sinai

Southeast Asia
Abu Sayyaf Group
Ansar al-Khilafah
Ansar al-Shari'ah Brigade
Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters [BIFF]
Daulah Islamiyah
Front Pembela Islam (FPI)
Gerakan Mujahideen Islam Pattani (GMP)
Hizb ut-Tahrir Indonesia (HTI)
Islamic State of Lanao
Jamaah Ansharut Daulah (JAD)
Jamaah Ansharusy Syariah (JAS)
Jemmah Anshorut Tauhid [JAT]
Jemaah Islamiya [JI]
Justice for Islamic Movement (JIM)
Khalifa Islamiyah Mindanao (KIM)
Majelis Mujahidin Indonesia (MMI)
M'arakat al-Ansar
Maute Group
Moro Islamic Liberation Front

Central and South Asia
Anti-Soviet Mujahideen

Ahl-e-Hadees
Allah Party [Hizbullah] of East Turkestan
Alla’r Dal
Al Markajul al Islami
Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent
Ansar al Islam (AAI) Bangladesh
Ansarullah Bangla Team (ABT)
East Turkistan Liberation Organization (ETLO)
East Turkistan National Revolution Association
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement
Eastern Turkestan Liberation Organization
Eastern Turkistan Islamic Party (ETIP)
Haqqani Faction
Harkatul Jihadi Islami (HUJI)
Harkatul Jihadi Islami (HUJI)-Bangladesh
High Council of Afghanistan Islamic Emirate
Hizb-i-Islami Khalis (HIK)
Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HUM)
Hizb-i-Islami
Hizb ut-Tahir al-Islami
Hizb ut-Tahir al-Islami Bangladesh
Hizb-ut-Tawhid / Hizbut Touhid
Islamic Democratic Party
Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Islamic Solidarity Front [Myanmar]
Islamic State in Afghanistan
Islami Samaj
Jagrata Muslim Janata, Bangladesh (JMJB)
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jama'atul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB)
Jamaat ul-Fuqra
Jund al-Khilafa [Kazakhstan]
Lashkar-e-Islami
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ)
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Movement for the Enforcement of Islamic Sharia
Shahdat al Hiqma / Shahadat-e-al Haqima (SAH)
Shahadat-e-Nobuwat
Tamir ud-Deen
Taleban
Tawhid Trust / Touhid Trust
Tehreek Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi ( TNSM )
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan
Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP)
Ulema Anjuman al Baiyinaat
United Jihad Council
Africa
al-Qa'ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Allied Democratic Forces (ADF)
Al-Shabaab
Al Sunna Wal Jamma
Ansaru
Ansar al Din
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Boko Haram
Fighting Islamic Group
Eritrean Islamic Jihad Movement
al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya
Islamic Movement of Nigeria (IMN)
Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP)
Macina Liberation Front (MLF)
Mourabitounes
Nusrat-ul-Islam
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat
The Supreme Islamic Courts Union (ICU)

But wait... Here comes the liberal argument.... Those are all outside the United States,, in the USA Extreme Christians are a MUCH BIGGER treat...

[Hesychios]

Originally Posted by WIHS2006

As far as I am concerned they are one and the same.

Pretty much.

[mahasn sawresho]

Mixing papers is a way to justify Islamic terrorism
When the facts show about Islamic ideology, they say that Christianity is also terrorism
But these words do not stand up to the truth

These are the following facts
First, Christianity at the beginning of its spread was not dependent on military power, and in the history of Christianity there are no battles between the disciples of Christ and even among his followers
Because Christianity is a spiritual religion in the first degree
Second, Christianity has no teaching about fighting for God
Every simple intellectual is able to know this truth by reading the texts of Christians and in all languages

Third, Christian fundamentalism is defensive, not offensive
Christian fundamentalism is against the teachings of evil
In some cases, force is used
But it uses them away from the Christian spirit
But when we read in Islam
We note
First, wars and fighting were the beginning of the emergence of Islam in Medina and the declaration of fighting on his brothers and his uncle and his family

The wars and invasions of Muhammad and his followers are well-known. It is not a secret we do not know, but it is one of the teachings of the Qur'an, which is the word of God
Second, after the death of Mohammed, disputes arose between Muhammad's followers and even inside Muhammad's house
His wife, Aisha, was leading an army against Mohammed's cousin Ali bin Abi Talib in the Battle of the Camel
Then the slaughters of Muhammad al-Hassan and Hussein were slaughtered
Conflicts continued between followers of Muhammad
This terrorism has also been transferred to the world

No geographical area in Europe and the Middle East was comfortable with the reality of the conflict, because the source of the terrorism was in words written by Mohammed that were the source of evil
And evil went into the world

Fourth, in the texts of the Qur'an and the teachings of the Qur'an, we observe the concept of fighting for God in all Muslim wars
And to this day
Even in peace, a Muslim in the West fights for his religion by publishing it in every way
Even lying because it is a Muslim and the teachings of the Koran

Knowing these simple facts and the difference between Islam and Christianity, we can see why Christian fundamentalism in the West has developed
Since the Muslims sent their armies to Spain
To this day, Christian fundamentalism is struggling to stop evil in the world
I think this is a humanitarian goal
Fighting cancer is not only the duty of Christian fundamentalism but of the duty of free thought in the world

And all the religions that believe in peace
Even if they are those who do not believe in God
But it believes in peace
I believe that Christian fundamentalism agrees with every call for peace and does not agree with any god calling for war and destruction, as is known in Islam
Which calls for the permissible spoils of war and to consider women of those spoils
Just as Muhammad did when he took the spoils of war and was the wife of the Jew and declared them the wife of the faithful prophet

[Kracer]

Originally Posted by Phil75230

Regardless of belief system (religious or not) all it takes is one crazy adherent of that system with the power and will to carry out his or her atrocity. Even in less extreme cases, a large number of people with that system plus a very similar interpretation of that system can still oppress others.

Perhaps those fighting extremist versions of Islam can take lessons from past centuries extremist versions of Christianity. Look at Calvin in Geneva (a kind of Christian Republic of Geneva, in a manner of speaking) and even the Massachusetts Puritans. Cromwell's Lord Protectorate in England in the 1600s also provides some insights. Governments can't get rid of "sin" any more than it can get rid of alcohol and mind-altering drugs. Besides, religious adherence (or not) is a matter of personal conscience, not the group as a whole. I seriously doubt Islam proclaims God will wipe out a whole town merely because of a few unbelievers.

One crazy religious person is no different than one crazy secular person. Our system of checks and balances and a free press would keep us on track.


Until now when one political party has sued the media as a propaganda machine and allowed the most corrupt justice system in our history to occur over the past 8 years.


Laws are ineffective without partnership of the religious community and community in general. There can never be enough laws passed to cover every situation and we have deomstrated evidence that laws are simply ignored as with the gangs and the violence and death they cause.


The laws cannnot stand alone.


That does not mean we need or have or support a theocracy, far from it, but we do need to be more tolerant of judeo/christian influence.


Islam is a horse of a different color as the 'small perccent' of fundamentalists have murdered, crucified and beheaded the greater population of christians across the middle east. Not centuries ago, just last week.


Islam is law and religion, a fishbone that gets stuck in the craw of our legal system.


Radicals have widespread support from 'peaceful' muslims. There can be no comparing islam to christianity as it exists today, as it harbors and recruits terrorists. Islam needs to undego a reformation before it can claim only a small percent are corrupting the koran.


Islam is fine and welcome when adherents follow current secular law and support tolerance without resorting to violence. Unfortunately, the violence is woven into the cloth of that community and indistinguishable until it reveals itself. Killing daughters for a religious infraction is not the stuff of a civilized society. Supoporting sharia courts to replace US justice system is not acceptable.


As for defining the 'religious right', that sounds like anyone who is a practicing christian or jew. that would be intentionaly misleading and can be read as an attempt to equate bloody islam today with jehovah's witnesses in an attempt to mitigate the violence islam has enabled and conducted.

[Old Gringo]

The labels.

[steven_h]

Originally Posted by fisheye

I don't hear too many hate filled atheists on this forum - leave us out of this debate!

A large percentage of progressives are atheists, and certainly the majority of those extreme progressives who start the "I hate everything" threads on a daily basis.

You are simply deflecting to sidetrack the valid points being made, which is nothing but an Alinsky maneuver.

The progressives have been exposed for their seditious nature. When they say "it's not the American way" they really mean it's not their way which is to undermine American values.