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Let me ask you this, do you disagree that he's politically divisive? And to be clear, I don't deny that it's been going on for a while. He didn't start this, but he is making it worse. So, I'll let you answer the question: do you believe he's helping or hurting?
I agree that he is politically divisive, and it is a good thing. Did you trust where politicians were leading us before he came on the scene? They made it seem like every thing was okay, yet a lot of average people felt otherwise.
I agree that he is politically divisive, and it is a good thing. Did you trust where politicians were leading us before he came on the scene?
Depends which politician. Some are better than others.
Why do you consider it a good thing? How is it beneficial to further the divide between Republican and Democrat or liberals and conservative or however you define the "two sides?" Because as I see it, increasing the divide only makes people less willing to get along, fewer things get accomplished, and people seem more wiling to justify violence against each other. Why would Trump being politically divisive be good?
I only ignore the nonsensical things you say. Why start an argument on a ridiculous premise?
As for "tearing this country apart" (another keyword you guys like), it seems you liked politics the way it was before he came on the scene. I (and many) for one, believe he has shaken up 'politics as usual' like no one has ever done before. He has started a new dialogue and people (on both sides) are asking questions and learning more about politics (and the media, etc) than they ever have before.
It's a perspective thing, but of course, you seem to have trouble understanding other's perspectives based on your posts.
Most of them probably already knew more about politics than Trump does. That's part of the problem.
And, for what it's worth, plenty of the "progressives" you love to hate already knew a good deal about politics and the Constitution and the Iron Triangle of government and didn't need Trump to "shake" things up and cause so much chaos.
Hell, all this info was available to the entire country and has been since the the advent of public schools.
Yes. Public schools.
Which the Trump administration doesn't give a damn about or he wouldn't have put Betsy DeVos in charge of the Dept of Education.
I know now why it can be so frustrating to talk to Trump supporters. Many of them think politics are something new because, to them, they ARE.
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Depends which politician. Some are better than others.
Why do you consider it a good thing? How is it beneficial to further the divide between Republican and Democrat or liberals and conservative or however you define the "two sides?" Because as I see it, increasing the divide only makes people less willing to get along, fewer things get accomplished, and people seem more wiling to justify violence against each other. Why would Trump being politically divisive be good?
Some people like "choosing sides." Particularly people whose previous hobbies were probably sports related instead of intellectual pursuits.
I mean, I like a healthy debate as much as the next person (not really into team sports, though) but at the end of the debate, the opponents usually shake hands. They don't try to tear one another apart.
I think that another Trumper characteristic (and I do see it in some of the more aggressive left-wingers who supported Bernie or Stein) is that they despise the middle ground.
And, they cannot fathom how some of us tend to occupy an area around the middle, even if we lean left or right some.
It's perplexing to them that we don't want an all-out war between the parties.
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Depends which politician. Some are better than others.
Why do you consider it a good thing? How is it beneficial to further the divide between Republican and Democrat or liberals and conservative or however you define the "two sides?" Because as I see it, increasing the divide only makes people less willing to get along, fewer things get accomplished, and people seem more wiling to justify violence against each other. Why would Trump being politically divisive be good?
Simple, as I stated earlier, he's deconstructing politics as usual, a destructive direction we were headed in that either people were blind to, or were happy to accept the temporary benefits for.
Do you think this divide will last? What makes you think another major party (like libertarian) won't have stronger footing as an eventual outcome?
He hasn't damaged America, but these anti American liberals will continue to say this in their continuing effort to discredit Trump. What I find so amazing is how brainwashed they are - they can't see how allowing illegal immigration allows American citizens less in medical coverage - less in all social benefit programs such as food stamps or section 8 housing, etc. Not to mention allowing a criminal element to enter the country and disappear. No matter how you try to explain these points they either are incapable of understanding what you are saying or have been so brainwashed they refuse to listen and try to understand. G-d help us and G-d help America.
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I only ignore the nonsensical things you say. Why start an argument on a ridiculous premise?
As for "tearing this country apart" (another keyword you guys like), it seems you liked politics the way it was before he came on the scene. I (and many) for one, believe he has shaken up 'politics as usual' like no one has ever done before. He has started a new dialogue and people (on both sides) are asking questions and learning more about politics (and the media, etc) than they ever have before.
It's a perspective thing, but of course, you seem to have trouble understanding other's perspectives based on your posts.
But dont you have the same problem seeing as you started this thread ????
If you understood others, then your post would have said "I disagree with the left", not "why does the left"
He hasn't damaged America, but these anti American liberals will continue to say this in their continuing effort to discredit Trump. What I find so amazing is how brainwashed they are - they can't see how allowing illegal immigration allows American citizens less in medical coverage - less in all social benefit programs such as food stamps or section 8 housing, etc. Not to mention allowing a criminal element to enter the country and disappear. No matter how you try to explain these points they either are incapable of understanding what you are saying or have been so brainwashed they refuse to listen and try to understand. G-d help us and G-d help America.
You do realize that, prior to Trump, we did have immigration laws and the Obama Administration (and all the other administrations before) DID actually deport illegal immigrants, right?
I mean, what was ICE up to all these years before Trump the Redeemer was crowned?
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Simple, as I stated earlier, he's deconstructing politics as usual, a destructive direction we were headed in that either people were blind to, or were happy to accept the temporary benefits for.
Do you think this divide will last? What makes you think another major party (like libertarian) won't have stronger footing as an eventual outcome?
I don't know what you mean by 'will it last.' We've had a problem of political divisiveness for a while. A lot of different things caused it. But it's worse than it's been right now. The effects of that cannot possible be good. Not in the long term.
I mean, you are essentially saying the ends justify the means, correct? Disrupting politics as usually is more important than how that's done? It's just that it is being done? And I think that's unwise. Gandhi disrupted politics as usual, and it helped gain Indian independence from the British Empire. Lenin also disrupted politics as usual in Russia. There's a reason Gandhi is viewed almost universally favorable, and while Lenin has essentially no supporters outside of tight nit socialist circles.
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