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Old 05-11-2018, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Why do we waste taxpayer money on these schools, if we don't give the teacher a pull chain which links the parents, the welfare office, and the housing authority. Kid acts like monster, teacher contacts parents, parents don't care, teacher contacts welfare office, benefits are reduced, parent and kids moved to less desirable apartment or camp/group home environment with frequent drug testing. Give the teacher the power to punish, the ability to defend themselves from assault with force if necessary, without the worry about getting fired if they knock some kid on the floor. Detention was always a good tool to keep kids in check, how about downgrading a students lunch ticket for bad behavior? Hey kid, you acted up in my class today, so you get S on a shingle for lunch.

If we don't give the teachers power to control the classroom, why waste so much money on teachers? Separate the kids who want to learn from the ones who don't. Those who want to learn get real teachers, the others get a male guard, a big tough one. The guards get half the teachers pay, all they do is operate the video TV/projector which shows films about junkies going thru withdrawal symptoms, VD and HIV, life behind bars and prison life, maybe they teach shop classes or something which might lead to a job they could actually get out of high school. Never should any money be spent on the rejects for athletics programs or anything which costs a lot of money for equipment, including art supplies, music, computers and tablets, or any of that crap. Also, make sure those reject classrooms are a little short on heating and air conditioning. Those things are for good students who display civilized behavior, and want to learn.

Property taxes are expensive, why flush that money down the drain?
Better idea--abolish public schools completely.

Oh, and taxation is theft.

 
Old 05-11-2018, 11:19 PM
 
Location: USA
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This is nothing new. We had kids punching teachers back when I was going to school. Only difference is now there are cell phones to capture the whole thing on video.
Yep, there was violence in my school too, got the paddle for dropping 1000 marbles in the class
 
Old 05-11-2018, 11:22 PM
 
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Yep, there was violence in my school too, got the paddle for dropping 1000 marbles in the class
Kids got paddled in my father's school. It didn't stop kids (kids, under the age of 12) from fighting in school. And this was back in the early/mid 1960s.
 
Old 05-12-2018, 04:25 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Originally Posted by mofford View Post
Separate the kids who want to learn from the ones who don't. Those who want to learn get real teachers, the others get a male guard, a big tough one. The guards get half the teachers pay, all they do is operate the video TV/projector which shows films about junkies going thru withdrawal symptoms, VD and HIV, life behind bars and prison life, maybe they teach shop classes or something which might lead to a job they could actually get out of high school. Never should any money be spent on the rejects for athletics programs or anything which costs a lot of money for equipment, including art supplies, music, computers and tablets, or any of that crap. Also, make sure those reject classrooms are a little short on heating and air conditioning. Those things are for good students who display civilized behavior, and want to learn.

Property taxes are expensive, why flush that money down the drain?
I basically agree with this post. The schools are short of resources for those that do want to learn. Those that want to detract should not get the chance to.

The one thing I do advocate is that children or their parents should have a chance for a return to the "real school" on request and some evidence of parental support.
 
Old 05-12-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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Expel the kid and make the parents pay for their alternative education. Just garnish their wages and take their tax return every year straight from the IRS. They'll slap those kids around when they see its costing them $$$$ for their stupidity.
 
Old 05-12-2018, 08:48 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Expel the kid and make the parents pay for their alternative education. Just garnish their wages and take their tax return every year straight from the IRS. They'll slap those kids around when they see its costing them $$$$ for their stupidity.
I don’t there are parents in the picture in the sense that any of us understand.
 
Old 05-12-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Better idea--abolish public schools completely.

Oh, and taxation is theft.
You like free stuff. Me too but I don`t expect it.
 
Old 05-12-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Iowa
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I basically agree with this post. The schools are short of resources for those that do want to learn. Those that want to detract should not get the chance to.

The one thing I do advocate is that children or their parents should have a chance for a return to the "real school" on request and some evidence of parental support.
Yes, I agree they should have the chance to get back into the better classroom. With a guard present in the reject classroom, it should calm things down a little. Perhaps there should be a video link to the good classroom, so they can see what they are missing. The guards make the kids shut up and listen, but those kids who are rowdy never get to disturb the other classroom. Maybe there is some form of audio link where the teacher calls on those in the reject class to participate. Guard encourages kids to behave, evaluates the students which are improving and those who promise to not act up in class eventually get bumped up at the beginning of the next semester. You still have to do your time for the crime, lol. It would be better to get socialism out of the schools and put capitalist ideas back in there. That's really what I'm talking about here. Instant feedback, up and down, punishment and reward. Kids think about what happens today, not what might happen to them when they turn 18.
 
Old 05-12-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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Expel the kid and make the parents pay for their alternative education. Just garnish their wages and take their tax return every year straight from the IRS. They'll slap those kids around when they see its costing them $$$$ for their stupidity.
This would cause a problem. This is what we know about these kids. The parents are a big part of why they are the way they are. In many cases, the parents won't have any money to pay for alternative education. And the parents likely aren't responsible enough to keep them out of trouble. The parents might give them a beating, but they can't stop the kids from going out and getting into more trouble. The fact that said kid punched a teacher says something about bigger problems within society.
 
Old 05-12-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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I don’t there are parents in the picture in the sense that any of us understand.
The kid who punched that teacher likely got whipped as a child. The kid is likely used to getting to fights and using violence to solve problems. Since violence normalized, since the home environment likely has violence in it, making the parents pay won't work. The parent(or parents) will likely think "I don't have the money to pay for alternative education" and basically let the kid go without an education. Said kid will be running the streets and getting into more trouble. At this stage, it's too late.
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