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Old 09-02-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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I think you meant to say "to prevent anybody from getting any necessary supplies", because that's what the law does.
nonsense. Do you have any hard examples at all where necessary supplies were available and able to be sold but the owner refused to sell them because he couldn't price gouge?
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:47 PM
 
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Im not arguing what the law is, I'm arguing that a business owner should be the one who prices their product ( private property rights).
Did the storm turn us into Venezuela?
So you're opposed to laws that protect consumers? What about the laws that protect business owners? Is it ok if a person who needs gas pulls a gun and the owner agrees to let him have a tank of gas in exchange for the opportunity to keep living? In that case, I bet that owner suddenly becomes a big supporter of laws.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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Should drivers and delivery services be paid the same when they risk their lives and add overtime to deliver the gas and water to a disaster zone?

If they should be paid more, where's the money from if they can't charge higher prices?

By the way, would those drivers be price gouging if they want to be paid more?
False argument. Charging higher prices is not necessarily gouging. How much higher is a judgment call and it will be decided by a jury if the AG decides to prosecute.

There's nothing wrong with being paid overtime or hazard pay. But would you be ok if the all the CG chopper pilots declared they aren't flying rescue missions unless they are paid a million dollar bonus? Or if the people running boats to people stranded on roof tops were demanding they turn over all their money, cell phones, and wallets in exchange for a ride to dry ground?

Maybe one day the firemen responding to your house fire will tell you they will open the nozzles, or the EMS tech responding to your heart will hook up the aed, as soon as you write a big fat check? Because, you know, efficient allocation of resources. There may be someone out there with greater need (aka "can pay more") for the aed than you. After all, wouldn't you rather an aed available to save your life for $200,000 rather than no aed available at all because it's being used on the other side of town on a homeless bum?
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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How much should the gas station be charging?
They should be following the laws of Texas not breaking the law. I am no sympathy for law breakers whether they are a gas station or looter stealing from a grocery store.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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Once again, it's illegal but wrong. The law is a political move not a scientific at all.

This anti-price gouging law appeases the clueless but actually hurts them more.
How about you provide some hard data to support that instead of your armchair theories?

Maybe you can show us how much better disasters are handled in third world countries where law of the jungle prevails?
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:15 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Prices can change daily (sometimes more than once) with gasoline, there is no "going rate" other than what the street decides ( supply and demand).
yea but you arent stupid. the price doesnt change by 17 dollars unless someone nukes us
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Everyone is harmed by the law!

Again, it's not a disputed fact in economics.

You conveniently ignored the fact that we are in the most advanced country in the world. We have tremendous capabilities to help people in need. It may in some aspect make price gouging a moot point. You can't deny that we are vastly out of supplies, particularly building materials. Who's willing to ship us without any extra profit?
Everybody? Who is "everybody"? It certainly doesn't apply to anyone here in Texas as NOBODY has been harmed by this law. In fact, as I've stated before, people here were helped immensely by our anti-price gouging laws. You cannot provide proof to the contrary.

I've asked you several times to provide evidence that people are actively being harmed by these laws and you still haven't because you CAN'T! All you've done is deflect in order to avoid answering the question.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How about you provide some hard data to support that instead of your armchair theories?

Maybe you can show us how much better disasters are handled in third world countries where law of the jungle prevails?
You better pack a lunch if you're going to wait on lifeexplorer to provide proof. I asked the same question several pages back and he has yet to give a definitive answer.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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Everybody? Who is "everybody"? It certainly doesn't apply to anyone here in Texas as NOBODY has been harmed by this law. In fact, as I've stated before, people here were helped immensely by our anti-price gouging laws. You cannot provide proof to the contrary.

I've asked you several times to provide evidence that people are actively being harmed by these laws and you still haven't because you CAN'T! All you've done is deflect in order to avoid answering the question.
We suffer as a whole and many suffer more. For example, there's no gas around town. What's the incentive for others to ship us gas faster than they normally would? If I didn't gas up before the hurricane, I would be stranded at home.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:30 PM
 
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How about you provide some hard data to support that instead of your armchair theories?

Maybe you can show us how much better disasters are handled in third world countries where law of the jungle prevails?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_..._price_gouging

"Problems during the Siege of Paris (1870–1871), which critics attribute to price restrictions, are often held up as another example. With price gouging laws in place, producers are only able to charge a price set by law, and therefore have little additional incentive to increase supply to adversely impacted areas. If producers are able to make extra profit, these theorists argue, then they will increase the supply. It is claimed that these laws lead to after-market operations as consumers with the lowest opportunity costs buy up desired resources and attempt to resell them to public at higher prices."
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