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Old 09-19-2017, 05:04 PM
 
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Here's what you're missing about the situation: SF Police removed the ankle bracelet the Federal agency had put on him to track him.

What gives the SF Police the authority to overrule the Feds, and do so?
The monitoring company would have gotten an alert with the location when it was removed, I'm not sure why ICE is playing coy about that part.
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:21 PM
 
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SCOTUS has not ruled on withholding of federal funds for states/counties/cities that decide to play their games which is the post you responded to?
COnstitutionally it's a federal issue. The courts are not going to rule that the feds can punish the states for not enforcing what they will not when they are the ones responsible.
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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You're right. ICE is playing dumb here. When the jail removed the monitor the company monitoring it would have gotten a signal, why didn't ICE do anything then? Also, ICE could have picked him up at the jail when he was released...or even better they could have called a federal judge and gotten a warrant for his arrest. ICE knows SF jail policy & when they requested the detainer they knew the jail wouldn't honor it. Sometimes I think ICE 'lets' things like this happen just for the headlines.
Exactly. If he was here illegally why was he even running around with a monitor? He was willing to come here illegally but he would be afraid to cut it off himself? What would they do if he was caught? Deport him?
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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This guy has a history of crime.

And the removal of the monitoring device did trigger a tamper alert but he was already gone when ICE called.

They didn't hold him for ICE because he didn't "fit the profile" of their sanctuary city rules to be held.
Seems SF has their own set of rules for detaining illegals.

SF kept arresting him on various charges and releasing him without pursuing the charges.

As long as he stayed in SF, a sanctuary city, it made it harder for ICE to do their jobs.


ICE Confirms Teen Accused of Stealing San Francisco Police Officer
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:47 PM
 
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The monitoring company would have gotten an alert with the location when it was removed, I'm not sure why ICE is playing coy about that part.
And then what? By the time ICE could respond, where would he be? Is there any way of knowing that?
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:50 PM
 
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Exactly. If he was here illegally why was he even running around with a monitor?
Because the US foolishly allows even illegal aliens Habeas Corpus. The US should not do so.
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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This guy has a history of crime.

And the removal of the monitoring device did trigger a tamper alert but he was already gone when ICE called.

They didn't hold him for ICE because he didn't "fit the profile" of their sanctuary city rules to be held.
Seems SF has their own set of rules for detaining illegals.

SF kept arresting him on various charges and releasing him without pursuing the charges.

As long as he stayed in SF, a sanctuary city, it made it harder for ICE to do their jobs.


ICE Confirms Teen Accused of Stealing San Francisco Police Officer
Your article makes zero sense.

Another suspect among the trio charged with carrying out a murder with a San Francisco police officer’s stolen gun was believed not to be in the country legally , immigration authorities announced late Friday.

Believed? So they don't really know?

Earlier Friday, U.S. immigration officials confirmed a report by NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit that one of the men accused in the Aug. 15 murder, 18-year-old Erick Garcia-Pineda, was facing deportation and had been under GPS monitoring since April.

If he was facing deportion, they did know? If they did know, why was he running around on the streets?

According to the agency’s statement, Garcia-Pineda was “released with the requirement that he wear a GPS monitoring bracelet and report to ICE in-person on a regular basis.”

Based on the tracking information, it appeared “Garcia-Pineda was complying with terms of his release until August when he failed to appear for his scheduled appointment with ICE.” /


Is this how ICE works? When someone is here illegally they are simply monitored? Is it really any wonder cities do NOT want to go to the expense of holding and keeping track of people if this is what ICE does?

He was here illegally and ICE responded by a monitor? This is what we are paying for?
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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Because the US foolishly allows even illegal aliens Habeas Corpus. The US should not do so.
No, the Constitution does. Your contempt for the Constitution has plainly been on display.

They don't have to allow him to run around with a monitor. On another level, if it takes months to process one illegal, how are we going to process 10 million?

Are you going to pay the taxes for all the holding cells this is going to take?
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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This guy has a history of crime.

And the removal of the monitoring device did trigger a tamper alert but he was already gone when ICE called.

They didn't hold him for ICE because he didn't "fit the profile" of their sanctuary city rules to be held.
Seems SF has their own set of rules for detaining illegals.

SF kept arresting him on various charges and releasing him without pursuing the charges.

As long as he stayed in SF, a sanctuary city, it made it harder for ICE to do their jobs.


ICE Confirms Teen Accused of Stealing San Francisco Police Officer
ICE should have gotten an arrest warrant, all it requires is a phone call to a federal judge. The problem is that ICE detainers do not meet the the requirements of the 4th amendment, numerous state courts have ruled that they are unconstitutional and recently a federal judge decided the same thing;

“In short, the county’s assumption that probable cause must exist to detain any individual for whom it receives an ICE detainer request was unreasonable. Its routine detention of such individuals made it inevitable that it would engage in warrantless detention of individuals who were not suspected of any criminal offense, but who became the subjects of ICE detainer requests either because they fell within a noncriminal…enforcement priority or because a detainer request was lodged despite their nonpriority status.”
https://lawnewz.com/immigration/fede...onstitutional/

DHS needs to fix this, it's been a problem for decades. No jail anywhere in the US will refuse to hold a person on a judicial warrant, why can't ICE see fit to obtain them? Do their cases lack probable cause and they realize that no judge would sign the warrants, or are they just lazy?
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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One would think that a police officer wouldn't be so careless with his gun.
Is that a little bit like declaring, "One would think New York City wouldn't be so careless with the twin towers"?
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