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Old 09-20-2017, 08:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Most people do not understand that most of the rights protected in Constitution, protect everyone, illegal or not. (small exceptions, like how after due process someone here illegally can be booted but a citizen can not be).
Then how do you explain illegal aliens landing at US airports having no such Rights, UNLESS they've been legally admitted to the US by Customs and Immigration? They can be and are turned away, without ever having any trial. Every. Single. Day.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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But then you admitted that the aliens at O'Hare, who have not been admitted to the US by Customs and Immigration have no such Right. On US soil? Yes. Have any Rights? No.
If you are turned back from a border crossing or denied admission to the US by customs you have no option but to return to your country and appeal the decision. Once you enter the US, either legally or illegally you are protected by the constitution.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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But then you admitted that the aliens at O'Hare, who have not been admitted to the US by Customs and Immigration have no such Right. On US soil? Yes. Have any Rights? No.
US laws treat illegals differently though as if they were admitted to the US and have rights.
There's a whole different set of laws for illegals and some of them put Americans at risk.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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If you are turned back from a border crossing or denied admission to the US by customs you have no option but to return to your country and appeal the decision. Once you enter the US, either legally or illegally you are protected by the constitution.
Those who've landed at a US airport aren't at a border crossing. They're already in the US. On US soil. They can be and are turned away, without ever having any trial. Every. Single. Day.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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But then you admitted that the aliens at O'Hare, who have not been admitted to the US by Customs and Immigration have no such Right. On US soil? Yes. Have any Rights? No.
Yes, they have rights whether they entered legally or illegally omg why are you even asking?

"Even if you're in the United States without permission or proper immigration documents, various sections of the U.S. Constitution apply to you. There is a particularly important provision of the Fourteenth Amendment stating that, "No state shall . . . deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

An undocumented immigrant is definitely a "person." In brief, this means that you are owed such procedural rights as a jury trial and the right to defend yourself against the charges if arrested; and if someone sues you over a civil matter, that you have the right to receive notice and to defend yourself in court.

Various criminal charge-related amendments to the Constitution (including the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and 14th) also apply. These protect undocumented immigrants against unlawful search and seizure by law enforcement authorities (without probable cause and a warrant for such an action) and against self-incrimination.

Undocumented immigrants have the right to file lawsuits, such as discrimination suits, in federal court. State laws vary, but some jurisdictions give an undocumented immigrant the right to sue in state court, as well.
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https://immigration.lawyers.com/gene...mmigrants.html
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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If you are turned back from a border crossing or denied admission to the US by customs you have no option but to return to your country and appeal the decision. Once you enter the US, either legally or illegally you are protected by the constitution.
Not all of it.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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Yes, they have rights whether they entered legally or illegally omg why are you even asking?
How are they able to be turned away in Chicago, on US soil, without a trial? That happens every single day.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Coastal South Carolina
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San Francisco and other "Sanctuary Cities" will reap what they are sowing. This is very sad and will continue if the local officials continue to refuse to work with Federal Law Enforcement Officials.
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Old 09-20-2017, 09:05 AM
 
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Teen wanted for deportation is accused of San Francisco killing - Story | KTVU

Very sad that this is happening because San Francisco is releasing dangerous criminals from jail just make a political statement.

San Francisco Sanctuary Policies Claim Another Victim | Frontpage Mag

Looks like this has been an ongoing thing where San Francisco is releasing those on ICE detainers and later one of these illegal immigrants commits a major crime.
SF has their own set of rules for profiling illegals that are arrested and it's very lax as noted by the 2 past murders done by illegals released by SF police.

Once CA becomes a sanctuary state the entire state will treat illegals like SF does...catch and release until someone gets murdered.
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Old 09-20-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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One would think that a police officer wouldn't be so careless with his gun.
One would think that a city's policies wouldn't be so careless with a criminal.
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