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Old 09-19-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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For foreign invaders? No, it does not. The ankle bracelet should have been left on. SF Police violated Federal Law when they removed it.
Liberals do not understand the constitution at all. They adhere to revisionist history and use the constitution argument to implement the same ideas our founders were trying to protect us against.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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That shouldn't be happening. Foreigners land at US international airports on US soil all the time and are deported without a hearing. Ask me how I know. Used to live 20 minutes from O'Hare.

Technically, they're on US soil. But they're there illegally. They have no right to a trial.
They can be turned around at customs and sent back but once they get past customs they are eligible for a hearing unless they waive it.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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That shouldn't be happening.
You are entitled to that opinion.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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Liberals do not understand the constitution at all. They adhere to revisionist history and use the constitution argument to implement the same ideas our founders were trying to protect us against.
I understand the constitution very well, but I'm not sure that you do. ICE detainers have been found to be unconstitutional by two Federal appellate courts a well as a number of state courts. If all of those courts are wrong, then why doesn't the administration try to move this matter to SCOTUS?

On September 30, 2016, the US District Court for the Northern District of Illinois issued an opinion declaring “unlawful†the ICE detainers which were issued by the Chicago ICE Field Office. This affects detainers issued to law enforcement agencies in SIX states and particular detainers that were sent to 24 additional states.
Court Says: Chicago ICE Detainers Unconstitutional - Whitlock & Gray, LLC

"Garcia said the county had wrongly assumed that ICE detainers, which are usually over alleged civil immigration violations and not criminal matters, constitute probable cause. He wrote that the "routine detention of such individuals made it inevitable that it (the county) would engage in warrantless detention of individuals who were not suspected of any criminal offense."
https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/...constitutional
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Old 09-20-2017, 01:11 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They can be turned around at customs and sent back but once they get past customs they are eligible for a hearing unless they waive it.
So, you're saying that only those aliens who are legally allowed to enter the US and meet the conditions of their visas have Constitutional Rights. I agree!
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:06 AM
 
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One would think that a police officer wouldn't be so careless with his gun.
Considering this happened in SF, I am NOT surprised.

The probably get MORE "social interaction" and "sensitivity" training training then REAL police training.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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They murdered a Social Worker, robbed 5 people and STILL the Socialist San Francisco Police let the Killers go - Blood is on all their hands.
Not the SF police. The SF politicians that the police report to-and the governor who drives these policies throughout the state. One more dead body at the feet of Moonbeam. He doesn't care about dead Americans so long as he can drive his liberal policies.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:20 AM
 
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So, you're saying that only those aliens who are legally allowed to enter the US and meet the conditions of their visas have Constitutional Rights. I agree!
What in the world are you talking about? I said that that anyone accused of being in the US illegally has a right to a hearing.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas vs. Davis (2001) that "once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the due process clause applies to all persons within the United States."
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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What in the world are you talking about? I said that that anyone accused of being in the US illegally has a right to a hearing.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas vs. Davis (2001) that "once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the due process clause applies to all persons within the United States."
Most people do not understand that most of the rights protected in Constitution, protect everyone, illegal or not. (small exceptions, like how after due process someone here illegally can be booted but a citizen can not be).
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:38 AM
 
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What in the world are you talking about? I said that that anyone accused of being in the US illegally has a right to a hearing.
But then you admitted that the aliens at O'Hare, who have not been admitted to the US by Customs and Immigration have no such Right. On US soil? Yes. Have any Rights? No.
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