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Old 09-21-2017, 03:19 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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I'm not sure I'd say California is a "dump"...certainly, the state has problems. Like most states in this country. Our metros struggle with affordability, which is probably the biggest issue facing the state's future.

But dump? LOL...can you be a bit more hyperbolic, please??
I wasn't being hyperbolic this state is literally a giant dumpster. Our cities look like third world hell-holes compared to other cities in the US. Not to mention Japan and Europe. Our roads are worn down and falling apart like most of our in state infrastructure. We have few useful public transportation options and what does exist looks like hell. Been inside a BART station lately? Its disgusting. Our prettiest city, which is probably SF has trash piled on every corner. That is not to mention all the human waste caked onto the sidewalks or the giant homeless camps in every major city in the state.

The only thing going for California is its amazing natural beauty and its perfect weather. If San Jose had Ohio weather it would officially be the saddest place on the planet.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I assume you're from the center part of PA. Pittsburgh to the left, Philadelphia to the right and Kentucky in the middle. I grew up in Pennsylvania - - we'll take Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and State College. You guys can have Erie, Scranton and the sticks running up the middle.
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Oh really..is that where all of the deplorables are?
I guess we all got the answer to that question on the overnight of 11-8/9-16.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:30 PM
 
Location: sumter
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Vast majority of the people slamming California couldn't afford a home in San Francisco, Santa Barbara, and dozens of other towns and cities in California
And probably never even step foot in the state either.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:37 PM
 
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I wasn't being hyperbolic this state is literally a giant dumpster. Our cities look like third world hell-holes compared to other cities in the US.
I seriously question whether you have actually been to the third world before. Anyone that has would not make a statement like this.

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Not to mention Japan and Europe.
Japan is definitely cleaner. Europe, mostly, is. But it's still pretty dirty in many, many areas/cities.

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Our roads are worn down and falling apart like most of our in state infrastructure.
Sure - our roads suck in many areas (I assume you are in the Bay Area). But so can many roads in other parts of the country. Roads in NY and Mass are pretty awful in many areas. Illinois roads are pretty bad. As are many other state's. Especially true for older metro areas.

Our infrastructure sucks - but so does most of the infrastructure everywhere in the US. We don't get nearly-failing grades in these areas continually for no reason: https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/

It's really sad when one travels out of the country. SF's rail systems, while inadequate in many ways, shame most American cities. That's a depressing statement on its own since the majority of major cities in the world shame SF's systems. And this is more of a reflection of the gross inadequacies in infrastructure in the US vs. anything wrong with CA specifically. We don't value, as a nation, good infrastructure, and it really shows.

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We have few useful public transportation options and what does exist looks like hell.
Most American cities have literally no options. You should try living in those cities - you have to literally drive everywhere. That sucks a lot.

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Been inside a BART station lately? Its disgusting.
Yeah, it's less-than-pleasant. But works fairly well, still. It is one of the most widely-used metros in the country, and puts to shame the systems in most cities in this country (with the exception of a small few).

Caltrain is a much preferred system for me, though (I use it daily). I think the Bay Area made mistakes in investing in BART technology so heavily, but that's another topic entirely...(although, I'm happy to tell you my thoughts on that some time).

List of United States rapid transit systems by ridership (BART (SF) and Metrorail (LA))
List of United States light rail systems by ridership (MUNI (SF), Metrorail (LA), SD Trolly, Sacramento Light Rail, VTA (SJ))
List of United States commuter rail systems by ridership (Caltrain (SF-SJ), Metrolink (LA), Capitol Corridor (Sacramento-SJ), NCTD Coaster (SD), ACE (Central Valley - SJ), SF Cable Car)


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Our prettiest city, which is probably SF has trash piled on every corner.
This is literal hyperbole. I live in SF - total lie. I question how often you go to the City, and to what parts you go (I imagine you must only stick around Market St., Downtown, or other tourist-heavy areas?).

The majority of the city is not trash-riddled, especially in the neighborhoods.

Unfortunately, most people that come to SF stick to only a few areas and assume what you say is true. Yes, it is a problem in certain areas of the City - but please lighten up on the hyperbolic statements.

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That is not to mention all the human waste caked onto the sidewalks or the giant homeless camps in every major city in the state.
First statement is hyperbole.

Second part is a real problem - agree. But it's not as widespread as you make it sound. And homeless numbers in SF aren't really that far off from most other major cities in the US. Homeless people are certainly more front-and-center in SF, though (I attribute that mostly to the Tenderloin's proximity to downtown/tourist-heavy areas - the TL is where most Homeless shelters are).

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The only thing going for California is its amazing natural beauty and its perfect weather. If San Jose had Ohio weather it would officially be the saddest place on the planet.
Those are really big deals. Don't forget an incredible job market.

There are legitimate problems here - but there are legitimate problems everywhere.

You seem a bit jaded on the state. Which I can relate to because housing costs here are simply stupid. I do advise you to move elsewhere. I think you'd be 1) happier. And 2) you'd likely see that things really aren't that much better elsewhere. We all make tradeoffs in life - living in CA is full of them. But so is living in other locations.

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Old 09-21-2017, 03:40 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Vast majority of the people slamming California couldn't afford a home in San Francisco, Santa Barbara, and dozens of other towns and cities in California
Why is that a good thing? We want our cities to be afford places for people to live and play. Artists, musicians, inventors, and visionaries often don't have much money and naturally go to places they can afford. Turning neighborhoods and towns into places where original and creative things happen.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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I wasn't being hyperbolic this state is literally a giant dumpster. Our cities look like third world hell-holes compared to other cities in the US. Not to mention Japan and Europe. Our roads are worn down and falling apart like most of our in state infrastructure. We have few useful public transportation options and what does exist looks like hell. Been inside a BART station lately? Its disgusting. Our prettiest city, which is probably SF has trash piled on every corner. That is not to mention all the human waste caked onto the sidewalks or the giant homeless camps in every major city in the state.

The only thing going for California is its amazing natural beauty and its perfect weather. If San Jose had Ohio weather it would officially be the saddest place on the planet.
Republicans don't want the government spending money on services - - I'd think this would be right up there alley.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Oh really..is that where all of the deplorables are?
So let's get this straight - - blast Democrats = okay. Get some blowback back = not okay.

Snowflakes indeed.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The tide is turning in California. In 20 years I predict the liberal majority will be gone and parity will return.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: sumter
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I agree but people from other states have it all figured out don't you know they know what's best for California more so than we do. They read Breitbart don't you know.
It sure seems that way.
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Old 09-21-2017, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Republicans don't want the government spending money on services - - I'd think this would be right up there alley.
http://www.kff.org/other/state-indic...:%22desc%22%7D

Republicans in Wyoming and North Dakota spend far more than California. I have no problem with that because the tax rates are extremely low and the quality of services that North Dakota and Wyoming provide are far, far superior compared to California.

North Dakota has a 2 percent middle-class income tax for the 52,000 dollar of someones income, compared to 10 percent in California (income tax and SDI maternity leave tax) and Wyoming has zero income tax.

Republicans do like government spending on good, high quality services. Republicans have higher standards than the insane taxes and horrible services provided by the Democrats.

Gilbert, Arizona provides vastly superior services for a lower cost than Los Angeles. The reason is because Gilbert votes Republican and Los Angeles votes Democratic.

Nebraska and North Dakota are big spenders but have fantastic safety-nets, education, infrastructure and are extremely well-run. They are also very Republican.

North Dakota has 1/5 of the middle-class income tax rate of California, much lower sales and much lower property taxes and provides superior government services to the public than California.

Californians pay top dollar for horrific services. They have a third-word safety-net with millions falling through the cracks of society but they have socialist levels of taxes.

10% income tax for over 52,000 dollars a year for a single person plus many cities have sales taxes above 10% and property taxes are over 1% of the sale price. All that money flowing into that state and they have third-world quality services because it goes to government workers and pensioners.

I am not familiar with New York but I would venture to guess it is the same as California.

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