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Old 09-22-2017, 05:38 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Most of the animosity against California is simple envy. When you watch some TV show with scantily clad girls ion some Cali beach during a Dakota Winter no wonder you are envious. When you are slaving at some non-union factory job in Alabama and see just how much a California Union Welder is being paid no wonder you are envious. When a Nebraska tractor driver sees just how hard so many immigrants are working picking winter vegetables in the big Valley you don't envy them so much but still buy the fresh vegetables.


If all of you are so incensed with California success why don't you, like the pilgrims of the "Grapes of Wrath", just move there?
The cost of living in CA is far higher than the cost of living in Alabama. I doubt the guy in CA is ahead.

Your arguments are false, as usual.
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Old 09-22-2017, 05:38 PM
 
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You are so angry. Good for you for making so much money.

California is far from a dump. It is a beautiful state aside from the politics. I would move back there in a heart beat if it wasn't so expensive.
I grew up in SoCal. Go back and visit about once a year. Yes it is a beautiful state but way too crowded. Hard to find parking, bumper to bumper freeways. I have a laundry list of reasons that sort of squash the fact that its a pretty state. Plus most of what is nice about California can be found somewhere else in the U.S. No not all of them in the same state. And now with the politics there getting more and more bazaar. Not missing that at all. The roads and infrastructure are as bad as anywhere I have ever been. Proves that high taxes do not translate into anything necessarily.

It reminds me of people I have known no matter how much they make they always seem to spend it all and are broke more than they should be. California is like them, California is a state that gets so much revenue yet its always scraping by and finding new ways to raise fees and taxes.

I am glad I sold my house made a killing and now live where I don't feel like a lemming every time I get in my car. Those that are there, especially in the Bay area or SoCal. Good for you, you are troopers.
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Old 09-22-2017, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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California is a strange place. They do some great things, but also some terrible things.
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Old 09-22-2017, 05:58 PM
 
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The cost of living in CA is far higher than the cost of living in Alabama. I doubt the guy in CA is ahead.

Your arguments are false, as usual.
CA is indeed expensive as hell but I gotta be fair and say, for people who want to do well, you can do very well. The state somehow manages to keep very well-paying companies here.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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The cost of living in CA is far higher than the cost of living in Alabama. I doubt the guy in CA is ahead.

Your arguments are false, as usual.
The person making 50k a year in alabama has a house with a pool. the person making 50k in California is living in poverty.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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They will cooperate with them if required by a court order or mandated by law. They also will not release people who have criminal warrants.

They will not necesarilly recognize an ICE detainer just because the person is suspected of being here illegally (assuming no other crime), however. They will not do ICE's job for them.

They will not prevent ICE from doing their job, either. Perhaps ICE needs more personnel and resources?


For what it is worth, I'm not fully in agreement with the policy - but it's there, and I don't think it is legally wrong.

This issue has come before the Supreme court in the past:
http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarc...1p.pdf#page=19
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/sa...ners-a-primer/
I think we just disagree. To me, if they aren’t cooperating, they’re preventing ICE from doing their job, at least in part.

There’s an emphasis on protecting the people here illegally rather than looking after the citizens. California is really messed up.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The person making 50k a year in alabama has a house with a pool. the person making 50k in California is living in poverty.
Except that, the person with the job making $50K in Alabama is probably making $75K or more in California for the same job. Maybe even $100K depending on the job.

The large number of houses with swimming pools even in ordinary neighborhoods in southern California is testament to that fact.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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Need to build the wall up the AZ/NV/ID borders with CA/OR/WA and close out the three Pacific states and hope for a giant earthquake to make all three states disappear.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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They will cooperate with them if required by a court order or mandated by law. They also will not release people who have criminal warrants.

They will not necesarilly recognize an ICE detainer just because the person is suspected of being here illegally (assuming no other crime), however. They will not do ICE's job for them.

They will not prevent ICE from doing their job, either. Perhaps ICE needs more personnel and resources?


For what it is worth, I'm not fully in agreement with the policy - but it's there, and I don't think it is legally wrong.

This issue has come before the Supreme court in the past:
http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarc...1p.pdf#page=19
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/sa...ners-a-primer/
Local agencies never did ICEs job. ICE did ICEs job. Just like a local agency has to work with FBI, DEA, ATF, etc. They should be able to work with ICE. This policy is specifically targeting ICE, let's not pretend we don't know why.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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I think we just disagree. To me, if they aren’t cooperating, they’re preventing ICE from doing their job, at least in part.

There’s an emphasis on protecting the people here illegally rather than looking after the citizens. California is really messed up.
Take it up with the Supreme Court. They'll likely not rule in your favor, though (this has been looked at in the past).

I don't fully agree with the policy (I would be fine for there to be limited cooperation with ICE as long as ICE was willing to commit more resources and manpower to solve this federal issue), but it is what it is.


I don't agree with your last statement. CA does a lot to look after its citizens - often at its own expense (see: budget or housing regulations that heavily favor people already here).
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