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Old 09-28-2017, 07:17 PM
 
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Yes!

Government has said a lot before:


They have to have

Turn signals

Lights

Seat belts.

Tempered glass windows.

Bumpers

You name it....car manufacturers won't do any safety improvements unless government mandates it.
except all those things existed first before the guv made them mandatory....oh and dont forget power brakes, power steering, anti-lock brakes, airbags, etc. all developed and brought to market without any input from a bureaucrat.
Good god man expand your mind, there is a big world out there.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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It's kinda sad some people here have completely lost anything resembling vision. Complain as you may about California's heavy-handed approach to many things, at least they're trying to be forward-looking. Some of the people here (particularly the righties) are so fixated on idealizing the past they've completely forgotten to think about what the future could be. Any future that does not resemble the past is to be held suspect. These are the same kind of people who, if you told somebody in 1959 we would be on the moon in a decade, they'd find some reason to rant against that, tell you that Mankind Was Not Supposed To Go To Space And It Will Cost Too Much Money And Be Corporate Welfare, or some other ridiculous reason.

Here is the California of the Future.

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Old 09-28-2017, 07:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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So you're okay with politicians telling you what kind of car you can buy?
To be fair, you can no longer buy cars that use leaded gasoline and nobody pines for those days. If/when electric cars become cheap and efficient enough then I can see that happening. I think we are a long ways from that though and today's electric car technology doesn't come anywhere close. It would be great to get to a point where people no longer needed gasoline for their personal vehicles and I hope one day science can get us there.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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California would need to up their urban density, and they should only do this for urban areas with higher density. I can see Cali aiming high in terms of urban planning just need to make sure the NIMBY's stop pushing for a houses within a mile of Downtown's its annoying when you have people who want the urban life right next to all the activity but keep the urban area back by arguing against higher density.

People will still move it's California, it is relatively safe, great economy and great cities.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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except all those things existed first before the guv made them mandatory....oh and dont forget power brakes, power steering, anti-lock brakes, airbags, etc. all developed and brought to market without any input from a bureaucrat.
Good god man expand your mind, there is a big world out there.
You didn't disprove his point. IF companies have no incentive to be safer and all the companies are like no one is becoming safer and it ends up saving money with only a minuscule amount of people looking for alternatives then they will continue to make their cars unsafe until either more consumers argued against it or the government regulates it.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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except all those things existed first before the guv made them mandatory....oh and dont forget power brakes, power steering, anti-lock brakes, airbags, etc. all developed and brought to market without any input from a bureaucrat...
And electric cars already exist, before the government is making them mandatory. So your point is ... ?
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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California really should be it's own country.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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And electric cars already exist, before the government is making them mandatory. So your point is ... ?
if you read the post I was responding to that stated safety features didnt exist until the govt mandated them, you wouldnt be wasting everyones time with your question.
Yes electric cars have been around since the 1800's. Since they're such a good idea why is it taking laws and bribes to get people to buy them now?
And a few posts above you're blathering on about vision. How much is Tesla paying you?
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:32 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Actually Californians want that. There are too many low paid workers there now. They want the high tech types who can easily afford the tiny bit extra to get an electric car.

As for those high pollution starter cars, people can take buses so this will have to be combined with a program for more public transportation using electric buses.
I don't take busses or other socialist-inspired transportation. The high tech types you mention are leaving the land of fruit and nuts in droves. Normal people have had it with Kali's rules and regs.

Most Americans want performance cars and trucks. Not geek-boy electrics.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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You didn't disprove his point. IF companies have no incentive to be safer and all the companies are like no one is becoming safer and it ends up saving money with only a minuscule amount of people looking for alternatives then they will continue to make their cars unsafe until either more consumers argued against it or the government regulates it.
so you as a consumer dont want safety? Did it take a politician telling you first?
Safety has been a major selling point for automobiles for some time now. Maybe its different in backwardastan where you must live.
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