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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 02-17-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Fraid not. Since you and others may not read to the bottom of the wiki article I cited, herewith the non-partisan evaluation of the effectiveness of the previous ban:
WIKI:
"In 2003, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services,
an independent, non-federal task force, examined an assortment of firearms laws,
including the AWB, and found "insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of
any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence".
A 2004 critical review of firearms research by a National Research Council committee said that
an academic study of the assault weapon ban "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence outcomes".
The committee noted that the study's authors said
the guns were used criminally with relative rarity
before the ban and that its maximum potential effect on
gun violence outcomes would be very small."
Emphasis mine.
So, please get off this tuneless song and figure out something that works.
Assault weapons are rarely used in gun crime, they make up a very small percent of gun crime and overall violent crime.

If public safety is the goal, banning assault rifles would be the least logical action.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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NO, the NRA is protecting their cash cow and laughing all the way to their bank in the Cayman Islands while selling thousands of rounds of ammo and guns to people who are stockpiling them up in their basements.
Now I'm headed for real trouble I guess, but that makes no sense at all. All the NRA sells is patches and tickets to the conventions.
"It would be a personal insult to you to address what is wrong with your post"
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:25 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Virginia Tech - a couple of glocks. And it was the deadliest shooting in recent history until Orlando and Vegas happened. The rhetoric from the left was the same "No individual should own a glock or semi-automatic pistol of any kind."
Got a link to prove that statement?
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Got a link to prove that statement?
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Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords resigned her seat this week, roughly a year after she was shot through the head during a meeting with constituents outside a Tucson supermarket. The attack left six people dead and 12 others injured. As Giffords steps down, we look at the iconic semi-automatic Glock pistol used in her attack and a number of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. Gun-control advocates have had little success calling for restrictions on Glocks
How about a link for the NRA having an 06 and 07 FFL to manufacture and sell firearms and ammo, and the ITAR tax number to do so. That's public info by the way. Should find it relatively easily...
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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NO, the NRA is protecting their cash cow and laughing all the way to their bank in the Cayman Islands while selling thousands of rounds of ammo and guns to people who are stockpiling them up in their basements.
It just came to me. The term for what you are doing here is Conflating.
"Definition of conflate
conflated; conflating
transitive verb
1 a : to bring together : fuse
b : confuse
2 : to combine (things, such as two readings of a text) into a composite whole The poster conflated the two ideas."
Actually, in this case, three ideas, each of which is incorrect:

1. The NRA is evil and has collected a lot of money from their evil by selling firearms and stuff.
2. Organizations with ill gotten gains must hide their money overseas, presumably to avoid taxes.
3. Evil people have huge stocks of guns and ammunition and it should be taken away from them, by force, if necessary.
"If your understanding of anything we are discussing here was magnified . . . "

Nevermind.
If you don't realize it by now, by blaming the NRA for being your imaginary enemy, you are alienating many people who support the reasonable discussion of how to end school shootings. As far as can be determined, NO NRA member ever shot up a school. You sound like a parrot, not someone with something contribute to the discussion.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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How about a link for the NRA having an 06 and 07 FFL to manufacture and sell firearms and ammo, and the ITAR tax number to do so. That's public info by the way. Should find it relatively easily...
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Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords resigned her seat this week, roughly a year after she was shot through the head during a meeting with constituents outside a Tucson supermarket. The attack left six people dead and 12 others injured.
Here's a fun story that I remembered.
A former Congresswoman and a retired astronaut walk into a gun store to buy a Glock, expecting to walk out with a powerful handgun, and an AR-15 rifle. They were told to wait the locally mandated period for the rifle, but of course passed the Federally mandated background check. They were trying to show how easy it is for a legally entitled person to buy a gun. Huh? of course, It is a constitutionally mandated freedom.
Cite? Sure:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/markkelly.asp
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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Default speech from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Emma Gonzalez at an anti-gun rally

https://twitter.com/JoshuaChavers/st...35557318152192

She certainly is on fire
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:04 PM
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How bout locks and intercom? And fbi stop dropping the ball. You can stick gun control you know where
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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Got a link to prove that statement?
NY_refugee87 beat me to it, but really, what do you find so unusual about it that needs proving? The left is calling for assault rifle ban today just like they did for anything that was called "Berettas" or "Glocks" 10 years ago. Back when pistols were the weapon of choice for mass shootings. You see, the left is pretty ignorant when it comes to guns. To them, anything that has a word "semi-auto" is an ultimate killing machine that no civilian has any business of owning. If killing sprees were done with regular hunting rifles, they'd be calling for their ban too.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:09 PM
 
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How bout locks and intercom? And fbi stop dropping the ball. You can stick gun control you know where
How would the FBI have stopped the kid whose grandmother just happened to find his journal before he could carry out his deed? He was flying well under the LE's radar, having no criminal record or previous encounters with the law. The next shooter could very easily be doing the same thing right now. How does the FBI stop them?

As to the OP, kudos to her for speaking out, but I fear she is wrong when she says they are going to be the last mass shooting. Stay tuned. The next one will be along in a week or so. The grownups have no real interest in changing anything.
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